A brief Google search shows the base price of a 1984 Carrera 3.2 was $33k including destination. In 2012 dollars that works out to $73k. So what are those extra couple hundred horsepower, bigger brakes, vastly improved handling, shifting, reliability and safety worth to you?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1204078869.jpg

(The same window sticker shows $645 for metallic paint and $1,580 in forged 16" alloy wheels as options, so some things haven't changed).

yeah I have been surprised how few new 3 I have been seeing around my area, previous gen were like honda accords and are everywhere.

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I'm pretty sure somebody already brought up the silliness of leasing the VW over a 3series. Although, I suspect the the 3er will run quite a bit more as "we'd" spec it.

This is true around here too. There's a BMW dealer right down the road and still no new 3's anywhere to be seen.

I wonder how you'll feel about the new steering.

MSRP of the one that I just built was 54 and change (M Sport) or 51.8 in Sport line. The example given (http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/conte...regiontypeid=3) is 419, but is based on an MSRP of 46 and change and includes 3K in cap cost reduction.


Actually, this is probably what I would get if I were TD--last of the 3 series coupes:

http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/conte...regiontypeid=3

The 439 figure for the coupe is based on an MSRP of 55,445, but includes 3500 in cap cost reduction.

Funny you posted this as I just spent the last 20 minutes (since before you posted) building an E92 335is. My MSRP was $57,695 so, after some negotiation, my payment would be minimally higher than the quoted rate.

Again, to lease a $57k BMW for less than a $35k VW is just silly. And certainly tempting. I might have to.

EDIT- I only ponder the point in having another car so similar to the M3 I already own.

So, reverse-engineering the sedan example lease I come up with a residual of 63 percent and a MF of 0.00067, which is about 1.6 percent. Taking out the 3000 cap cost reduction leaves you with a payment of 525. Assuming you could get the car for less than MSRP, the payment would be less.

Seems like a pretty nicely subsidized lease. Even on the M sport one that I built, the payment would "only" be 600/mo, selling at MSRP.

The numbers on the coupe look pretty similar; I think the MF is about the same. Residual is 2 percentage points higher (65 percent). Backing out the 3500 cap cost reduction gives a payment of c. 535/mo (at MSRP, including the rebates).

That's a pretty attractive deal on a 335is. I sort of wish I had a need for one, but I really can't see where it would fit in the fleet.

FWIW, though, it's pretty clear from the website that the 335is is now shipping with a slightly higher power N55, rather than the hotted up N54 that that car launched with.

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I also noticed in Atlanta last weekend that E90/E92s were essentially at every traffic light. At one time I counted over 12 during my parking garage walk, car to the building. Over 3 days I saw maybe 3-4 F30s.

I have seen a grand total of two F30s so far. One 335 and one 328. But I recall making the same observation with the (substantially uglier) E90 when it came out and now they're everywhere.