2017 M2 Manual
 

I have no idea whether this is a good price or not...

https://www.landroverbuckhead.net/us...81a44af00c.htm

Seems high for a 2017 to me, but I'm not really following these days

That’s about right for 20k miles. The 18 LCI’s have fallen below 50 now with used 19 comps getting under 55.

i don’t understand how the spread to the S55 is so little.

Shhhhhh let them keep coming down please. =)

This auction should tell what the public thinks they should be going for. At least a Pre LCI 16-17.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2017-bmw-m2-28/

Just browsing used M3’s today and there are around 40 2017 Comp pkg manuals for sale at the moment. Seems to be some pretty decent deals as well. High 40’s low 50’s. This is less then I would be paying for a 2019 used Comp M2.

If you did not need the space which one would you guys get?

M2 100 times out of 100

I tend to agree but I’ve been seeing a lot of reviews that the M2 can get pretty squirrelly. Not that it’s a bad thing but it sounds like the M3 is more composed.

Borrrrrrriiiiinnnnngggggg.

LOL!!

Possibly. But remember Theo is coming from an M5...

If I didn't need the space, I'd get the S55 M2, no doubt. I don't see the reason to drive the bigger car unless you need the back seats (and, indeed, the 4 doors; I can't think of a more pointless car than the M4).

We can I ask what the reason for the original post was. Are you thinking of getting an M2?

An E39 M5 is a very interesting car to drive. If the steering feel didn't suck, I'd have one instead of the E90 M3.

(And honestly, I probably should have just done the M5 anyway.)

I've never driven the F80, but everything I hear about the steering in that suggests that the steering is also awful.

The steering is not great. I don't think it's E39 M5 bad, but it's been a long time since I drove one of those. We really need to get together so you can try mine.

It's not clear to me that the steering in the M2 is any better, though--isn't it basically the same parts?

Logically, you'd think so. But most/all reviewers seem to praise the M2's steering (relative to other BMWs). Steering feel is so sensitive to even minor differences that it could be stuff like slightly different bushings, tires, lighter weight, etc. Could also be psychological in that driving a smaller car is inherently more engaging and feels more maneuverable.

My guess is that it is a lot of the latter.

No, not at all. My needs are now for bigger and more practical. Just ran across it while looking for various used BMWs.

The M2 Competition has just become relevant to my interests. What's the difference form the M2?

Different engine. The M2 has a hotter version of the single turbo N55. The Competition has a slightly detuned version of the twin turbo S55 that’s in the M3. Right around 50 extra hp.

Did the M2C get classed competitively?

It moved from AS to BS via the same 12 month rule that bounced the 3 Performance out last month.

So it is now competing against the Camaro SS 1LE.

The M2 was already there and it is quite good. Definitely one of the cars at the top of the mix. General consensus is the M2C is enough better that it may be over for everything else. A few people say that's not the case (and the data they put together is what triggered the reclass), but with more power (quite possibly a good bit more than claimed), and suspension differences (but don't exactly know what's different or how).

I am kinda glad I did not buy a car yet. Now I don't know what to do. All kinds of bad ideas going through my head.

Do it! (Someone here needs to buy an M2.)

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That's a good one!

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Oh I am going to this year just wait. I am just waiting for some things to line up in March. The 981 lost after I drove the M2C for a 20 min test drive at my dealer last week.

The kicker will be trying to find a 19 in the spec I want.

Hockenheim or Sunset, 6spd manual, exc pkg and the hardest part - Sunroof. Oh and NOT the full black rims. Not a fan of the full murderd out look.

Yeah I know the purists dont like that but whatever. The car is to small not to have one and every single car I have had has had one.

Edit: The sale of the M5 will not depend on this purchase but it is for sale again.

This is a very interesting turn. Did you spend some time in a 981? Was it the lack of torques coming from the M5? What turned you away from the P Car?

That and space. The S55 sounds like shit but is so entertaining. For a turbo motor it’s revs like crazy. 7600 redline. It’s really a special little car.

Wow now this sounds cool ... I am with you on the sunroof ... i’ve had cars without it (R8 and now the Cayman) I don’t miss it but I always prefer to have it if it’s an available option.

Did you post a review on the M2 .... I’d be really interested in hearing it.

I have to say whenever I see an M2 which is btw very rare I love the badass look they gave it plus you know the person driving it is a fellow enthusiast.

Still not sure which.

Well I’ll start off by saying I’ve never driven an S55 car before so no M3/M4 with it.

I’ve heard they retuned it a bit in the M2 to deliver the power in a more linear fashion. Not all at once. I’ll I know is it loves to rev and you really don’t notice it being a turbo style motor. It has a 7600 rpm redline which is 600 more them my S62 and only 600 less then the glorious S65. This things scoots.

You need to be careful with it. To much in first gear from a light turning can induce a slide. It’s fairly small inside but not TO small. Everything is logically placed and at hand. It’s a step down to me quality wise compared to my M5 but still nice. The clutch is a little light but what you come to expect from modern BMW”s.

It’s a heavy car for what it is (3600ish) but coming from a 4000 pound cruiser with the same amount of hp it seems like a go cart in the turns. I also don’t mind the steering rack coming from the not so good rack in the M5.

The seats are fantastic. I think they are the same ones in the M3/4. The test drive was part twisties and part freeway so a good example of both. I honestly like the size of it. It reminds me size wise of my old E46 M3 but maybe smaller inside. I think it’s due to the high sills that are coming on a lot of new cars. When I got back into my E39 I just love how “low” everything is. The dash the door sills etc but what can you do.

It’s really nice to look at to. Very aggressive and a great stance. I’m pretty sold. There aren’t many fun manual cars left but this one def stands out to me.

Now about that “cow utter” exhaust. THAT will be the very first thing to go.

This is exactly how I feel about my 2.

I'm excited about your decision!

The S55 has decent low end but definitely feels like an old school turbo motor in that you really get a rush of power as the revs climb.

I haven’t driven an N55 M2, so I can’t really comment on the difference. I suspect it would annoy me to know that the S55 was out there if I got an N55, but I also suspect that the N55 is “enough” motor by any reasonable standard.

While not to the same state of tune... I loved the n55 in my e90 335iX - should've kept that car. It really was an awesome engine for the 2011 to 2014 era. It was decent in my 535i, but the b58 in the 340i is a good bit better, not just better numbers, but more revvy and fun. In this day and age, I'd be looking for something a bit stronger in my M car...

I know I'm in the minority on this one, but the N55 is one of my least favorite engines to drive ever. I do NOT like driving in the uncanny valley.*

It's worth noting that it's the low speed driving where the too tall gearing makes the unfortunate lag / turbo transition incredibly annoying. Out in the suburbs, I don't deal with that much.

Was thing the same thing . Had an e92 335 and it was great. The old ZF 6 speed auto was so much better than the 8 speed and I never noticed any lag or hesitation.


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I sorta didn't express myself too well. I remember liking the n55 in the e90 335. I remember not necessarily loving it in the f10 535. Guessing it doesn't do so well with modern comparisons and/or saddled with more weight. But then I got distracted into a tangent of missing that Lemans blue e90.

Gives me a thread idea...

You need to elaborate !!