Complaints so far:

- yes it's floaty, more so than the test drive indicated. I might go for the SRT sways if it gets to me. It won't be easy to do any other suspension mods with the air lift option I have.

Smaller stuff:

- A-pillar with giant mirrors and speakers built in blocks visibility on the driver's side. I move my head around to make sure I see the apex, the intersection and potential peds on left turns.

- Emergency parking brake and how it's controlled. The pedal is inane. I can't remember to put it on. If I put it on, I can't remember to take it off. Best are hand-pulled brakes, second are the electronic ones I'm getting used to (Audi's, f10, 981)... I haven't had a vehicle with this control in twenty years (since my last domestic)

- Wipers and signals/lights on the same stalk. This is just silly. Why is there no right stalk? So there is room for a non-existent column shifter?

- Jeep Chrysler Dodge Ram dealers. At least the one I went to have it serviced. The slimeballs deserve their own rant thread. And a letter to FCA.

Many good things:

- Averaged 23-24mpg overall, 500 miles or so between fill-ups.
- Grunty feel, smooth and quiet on the highway
- Pretty easy to park
- Pretty good visibility otherwise

And the WK2 is light years ahead of the WK, outside of diffs and solid axles.

In fact, the 2014 facelift is rather important, with the 8-speed ZF.

His front and rear wheels seemed to be spinning consistently throughout his attempt. I assume it was just a tire issue.

Thinking my JK gets stuck in terrain like that.

But I only see it go through snow. So.

So when you drive in snow, you put it in 4WD, and if you hit patches of road that are dry you just ignore the binding and tire hop when you go around corners?

It really isn't as bad as you think. It's mostly just some pulling in the steering wheel - pretty similar to a FWD car.

We are car shopping for my daughter and this thread came to mind ... for the second time she wants to look at Grand Cherokees(we looked at them last time she got a car) and again I check the safety ratings and it gets a moderate for the small front overlap which basically means your legs can get crushed in this type of accident ... Jeep has been aware of this for years you would think they would do something about it :mad2:

Check out the link it shows pictures of it.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...kee-4-door-suv

I've seen that.

I'd be less concerned about that (that's me, I motorcycle as well) but more about that it's a big, heavy vehicle for a family really... I love the big diesel truck feel. With the regular 3.6 it's ok, but neither here or there. A smaller CUV/SUV (they are fixing the face of the cherokee, cx-5, disco sport, evoque) if she really wants the height?

I agree the Jeep is a little big but she drives her cousins and really likes it a lot.

I just can’t take the chance of buying a car for my wife or kids without all of the crash ratings being good.

Funny thing is I could do it for myself ... there aren’t even crash test ratings available for the 911 or R8 :dunno:

Would she go for an X3?