Range Rover Sport Td6
Drive a 2017 today.
It handles better than I would think. Great viability. The engine is epic good. Wall of torque. I’m going to drive JGC and maybe Cayenne diesels to compare? (E61 replacement) |
All of those SUV's appeal to me, certainly over Jeep Wrangler/Gladiator.
The Cayenne diesel was a near miss for me, I got very close, got very specific with specs, found it but could not pull the trigger. 1. The engine felt wheezy not healthy at times (likely due to dieselgate fix). The JGC diesel may have been a touch slower but the wall of torque was smoother at lower rpm. There are diehard Cayenne diesel owners rejecting the fix (even against mucho $$$ incentives). 2. The handling was better than the JGC, but still not quite good enough. The Macan is much better to drive (but of course smaller). One additional reason to size may be the transfer case. One thing I'm noticing with the Macanurbo is how much of the power going to the rear, something like 75 to 80% in conditions that would generate push/understeer. I think the Cayenne diesel shares the not as rear-biased but indestructible case of Touaregs and Q7 Audis, that may be cutting the fun. Cayenne S's and Turbos use the Macan transfer case, I'm not sure if they are as rear-biased, but I expect they would be. I never minded the handling of my v6 loaners. It does have better weight distribution than the Macan, but in the real world, when you drive it, the Macanurbo shrinks around you and approximates the old RS4 (without the glorious noise, but with a lot more tech and practicality). The RRS Td6 is an attractive vehicle. I've been in an RRS, but not driven it. Nice, not-fussy interior. If I were in the market again, I'd consider it. I do miss the JGC at times. How it swalllowed a 72" mini-couch whole. 29mpg on the highway and smooth pairing of torque & ZF8. But I don't miss its handling, and I had the air springs. Also some interior bits and pieces, especially that foot parking brake, drove me nuts. Definitely a rational choice and you can extend warranties to the moon with Mopar. |
Quote:
Did you try the BMW diesel in the X5? I want to investigate that also. The sad reality for me is that a CPO E350 wagon might do the trick. I don’t think the SUV capability is really needed. That’s just for fun. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
My stepdad had a Cayenne Diesel, but he got rid of it before the Dieselgate fix was applied, so my only experience with it was in its original "illegal" state. It drove great -- nice mix of power and efficiency/range… We drove from Socorro, NM back to Scottsdale (about 450 miles) on just over a 1/2 tank...
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
Which? The one thing that is a little scary is pulling into a Land Rover dealer and seeing a see of vehicles there for “service”. Seriously. 2/3 of the lot was trucks there for service. And RRS seats do not fold flat which broke the deal. (Dogs) |
Quote:
The X5 seats don't fold flat either, not sure about the X3. |
The X3 m4.0 is the only BMW offered that I would consider.
|
Quote:
|
When tesla makes a car that I can put a dog comfortably in the back of and drive 300 miles to my lake house let me know.
Snarkiness aside, my coworker has a q5 3.0t and it is a real pleasure to drive. The transmission programing is waaaayyyy better than any BMW I've driven lately. Might want to check it out. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
80lbs, 60lbs and 40lbs. It’s a lot. And there’s not a lot that can carry them plus whatever else. While at the dealer I did see this: (new Jag wagon) https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...bca0472e2e.jpg |
Quote:
He gets that truck home and... wait for it.... The transmission in the loaner dumped it right there in his driveway. From that point on - I have admired what they try to do - but not in my wheelhouse for anything I would ever consider. EVER. |
Oh yeah the Jag wagon is sexy.
What about the Opel/Buick wagon? |
2 Attachment(s)
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
I could not dispute this. |
Lem, let us know how your drive with the Cayenne and JGC diesels go and how they compare to the RRS Td6.
On the Jeep, the Overland & Summit get a different (air) suspension. Cayenne air suspension is an option and rather rare on diesels. It drove like a tidy Touareg. Nothing fun but competent. The Jeep is competent around town and if you take it easy. If you push it (or if you have emergency avoidance like I had to endure), you might get it on two wheels... Which is primarily why I sold it. Other than Once again, Macanurbo drives great town or highway, but the consumption reminds me of my v8 S4 in the low teens. With no trips and just local these last 170 miles, I'm getting 12, about double the consumption of the JGC. |
Quote:
Back to the original topic, I like the range rover sport as well- probably the best looking of all midsize SUVs. Have driven a couple of them - both v6 gas though. The infotainment is pretty slow and clunky, but the 17+ models can now have apple carplay /android auto installed through a software update so you can largely avoid the native interface. There's pretty limited storage space compared with many other SUVs of its size and a few ergonomic annoyances. Service costs are likely to be higher as well. Agree that it will likely have more issues than other vehicles, but it is a very handsome SUV and driving one makes you feel special somehow. Great stereo and leather as well. Fun car to drive despite the fact that it shouldn't be given the specs. Good residuals so might be possible to get out of it in a few years without losing your shirt. The Jag wagon is beautiful but costs nearly as much as an RRS- and as much as I hate to admit this, I think I'd prefer the RRS. |
sorry but what is a "macanurbo?"
|
Quote:
|
oh
|
Quote:
I could not have it as my only vehicle. But as long as I have something fun to drive in the garage, it is the perfect complement. I suppose it's a tell, though, that even when I have to go to Costco, I will try to jam everything into my 2 series rather than take the X5. |
Quote:
I will say getting the 3gt helped highlight how good the e70 is compared to the newer BMW offerings. That would be my concern with the new x3... even if the engine and interior are still good, the driving dynamics & feedback have deteriorated so far that it would be mildly unpleasant to drive. I saw a review that said the safety nannies further intrude on this area too with a very zealous lane departure correction system, etc. |
Quote:
The RRS is not super fun to drive either. It’s just a British X5, to be honest. Like some have written it’s appealing on a subjective level. But I always go back to the 5er wagon and love it. That’s one issue. My distrust of Land Rover to build reliable vehicles is another. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
Also I have been reading the new 3er is going back to being more of a drivers car. |
I am hopeful the new 3er can regain its old mojo. Everything I've read is its really good, but someone here will have to drive it and report.
|
Quote:
|
Might not apply anymore, but saw some crazy deals on the Jag wagons a few months ago on Leasehackr, and they were generally all in MA so maybe worth a call:
https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/emplo...msrp-77k/63391 |
Quote:
General feedback is that the new X3, X5 and 3-series bring back better driving dynamics. New 5 is so-so in standard form but apparently really good as M5. |
Quote:
I have the sporty version with the dynamic dampers so maybe that contributes to it but the big picture is this car is fun to drive though again I will mention for a mid size sedan. |
Quote:
Yeah that seems to be the consensus. I remember that many of the press 540s that got tested were equipped with the 4 wheel steering which journalists always seem to dislike. |
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:25 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Forums © 2003-2008, 'Mudgeon Enterprises - Site hosting by AYN & Associates, LLC