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John V 08-20-2020 08:30 AM

There's nothing really wrong with the base 987 but the 3.4L cars aren't that much more expensive at this point. I just can't see how anyone justifies going for the smaller engine. I'm also in the "any interior color but tan/beige and any exterior color but black" camp :lol:

FC 08-26-2020 10:30 AM

This is far from a preferred spec, but it is pretty cheap. Too cheap?

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing

Alan 08-26-2020 11:14 AM

Car looks good but wouldn’t you think the price is low due to the high mileage ?

You can always have the local dealer do an inspection on it for you.

FC 08-26-2020 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan (Post 563225)
Car looks good but wouldn’t you think the price is low due to the high mileage ?

You can always have the local dealer do an inspection on it for you.

The mileage and the basic spec still do not justify the low price, IMO.

JST 08-26-2020 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC (Post 563218)
This is far from a preferred spec, but it is pretty cheap. Too cheap?

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing


Seems like a scam at that price, yes.

FC 08-26-2020 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JST (Post 563233)
Seems like a scam at that price, yes.

That's what I'm thinking. Too many warning sings, IMO. Hardly any photos, a very round $30,000 price, etc.

John V 08-26-2020 01:37 PM

Easiest way to find out if it's a scam for sure (I mean, it almost certainly is) is just to reach out to the person. Use a burner e-mail if you have to. When I find cars that are interesting that are too good to be true, I usually reach out saying I'm in the area and am free to come check out the car (which doesn't really exist) immediately. If you get blown off, you know it's fake.

Alan 08-26-2020 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC (Post 563237)
That's what I'm thinking. Too many warning sings, IMO. Hardly any photos, a very round $30,000 price, etc.

I googled the vin and it is showing the last time it was for sale was 2015 and the photo is the same side shot ... also shows 1 accident

https://epicvin.com/check-vin-number...cb2a8xds134306

FC 09-01-2020 03:49 PM

This has promise, but a bit pricey for no leather and not my favorite wheels plus a bunch of mods.

https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1211071

Josh (PA) 09-15-2020 12:54 PM

https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1213200

in case anyone wants a $112k boxster

FC 09-15-2020 01:18 PM

I really don't care for those wheels.

dan 09-15-2020 01:49 PM

Those belong on a MINI

wdc330i 09-15-2020 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh (PA) (Post 563737)
https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1213200

in case anyone wants a $112k boxster

Why would you buy that, when you can buy this for 10k less brand new:

https://www.porscheatlantaperimeter....cd2a81ms232067

equ 09-16-2020 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdc330i (Post 563753)
Why would you buy that, when you can buy this for 10k less brand new:

https://www.porscheatlantaperimeter....cd2a81ms232067

Theoretically, in Porsche's hierarchy, GT4 & Spyder > GTS.

I'd rather have the GTS as I'm not interested in tracking or PS Cup tires and all the other bits that are a hassle on the road.

FC 09-25-2020 10:28 AM

Pasting from 4.0 GTS thread...

I think I'm going to ask about this car:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing

It's a lot of miles to buy a car like that sight-unseen. There could be clutch, brake, other work to be done even assuming it runs and works perfectly.

FC 09-25-2020 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JST (Post 564138)
Yes, that's what I'm thinking--a 20-30K car that you only use a few times a year is a lot easier to justify than a 100K car.

That 2009 has promise, but jeez they did not spare the Armor-all, did they? Why do people think that makes a car look better?

It has the sports seats, which are awesome and sort of hard to find, and I love those wheels.

Downsides are high miles, unknown history, and some minor things like the top elastic needing to be fixed and the fact that it has Hankooks (which, to me, suggests an owner or dealer that was looking to cut corners).

But yeah, a car like that would give you 75 percent of the satisfaction of a new one at like 1/3 the price.

Agreed. Those are concerns. I wouldn't sweat these things too much if I could see it in person. A great, low-mile version of this car would ask over $30k, so that is a steep discount. The remote thing is troublesome.

And yes, I hate the slathering of armorall. My Miata was like that when I bought it. Cheapo tires could be a dealer thing, but certainly not great.

Alan 09-25-2020 11:37 AM

If that car was being sold by an individual and not a dealer and you had the service history I can see considering it but at those miles and being it’s not a Porsche dealer or owner selling it I think you should keep your options open and see what else is out there.

I have certain red flags that go off when looking at a used car and this one is setting off a few of those ... the inventory of that dealer isn’t giving me too much confidence, their website on their home page has the credit application, financing and loan calculator as some of their main buttons ... I just think finding an older boxster you can find a seller who you feel comfortable with.

JST 09-25-2020 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by FC (Post 564141)
Agreed. Those are concerns. I wouldn't sweat these things too much if I could see it in person. A great, low-mile version of this car would ask over $30k, so that is a steep discount. The remote thing is troublesome.

And yes, I hate the slathering of armorall. My Miata was like that when I bought it. Cheapo tires could be a dealer thing, but certainly not great.

Worth paying for a Carfax and an Autocheck. Might be a good deal at that price even with needs, but it's also possible that it's been hit.

wdc330i 09-25-2020 12:28 PM

Hmmm:

https://www.hennessyporsche.com/cert...419fab4548.htm

Grrr. Accident car...

zach 09-25-2020 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdc330i (Post 564152)

Bummer - great spec.

FC 09-25-2020 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JST (Post 564147)
Worth paying for a Carfax and an Autocheck. Might be a good deal at that price even with needs, but it's also possible that it's been hit.

Definitely. I'm still waiting to hear back to see if it still even available.:rolleyes:

JST 09-25-2020 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC (Post 564156)
Definitely. I'm still waiting to hear back to see if it still even available.:rolleyes:

Looks like there's an Autocheck on the dealer's website:

http://clients.automanager.com/scrip...7d9a2ecb8b2d61

https://www.cincinnatiusedautosales....?model=Boxster

Division: PCNA
Commission #: 689308

Prod Month: 2009-01-01
VIN: WP0CB298X9U730399
Price: $64,530.00
Exterior: Black
Interior: Black Sport Seats
Warranty Start: May 20, 2009
Warranty End: May 22, 2015

BASE Boxster S
342 Heated Front Seats
419 19" Carrera S II Wheel
480 Manual transmission
551 Porsche Windstop (Deflector)
573 Automatic Climate Control
619 Bluetooth Interface for Mobile Phone
680 Bose Surround Sound System
810 Floor Mats in Interior Color
870 Universal Audio Interface
A1 Black
AP Black Sport Seats
P75 Bi-Xenon Headlights with Dynamic Cornering Lights
P77 Leather Sport Seats
XSC Porsche Crest in Headrest
XSX Seat Belts - Guards Red

FC 09-25-2020 02:32 PM

Didn't get much info from dealer other than this report:

http://clients.automanager.com/scrip...7d9a2ecb8b2d61

And when asked to provide more, high-res photos of the car, I was pointed to here:

https://www.cincinnatiusedautosales....7d9a2ecb8b2d61

Which is hardly better than what was on Autotrader.

Question is, should I go for it and have them get it checked out the local Porsche dealer? They seemed amenable to doing that (at my expense, as I suggested).

FC 09-25-2020 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JST (Post 564160)

Ha! You just beat me.

FC 09-25-2020 02:33 PM

I wonder if I should make an offer contingent on a good inspection report.

FC 09-25-2020 03:45 PM

OK, I think I'm going for it. I told dealer I'd be willing to make an offer contingent on a clean PPI from the dealer. Guy said ok and they are willing to bring it over for the PPI (~8 miles away).

Should I be aggressive and offer $18k or try to squeeze another k off by offering $17k. I should be free to renegotiate if I get bad news form the PPI.

Thoughts?

JST 09-25-2020 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC (Post 564165)
OK, I think I'm going for it. I told dealer I'd be willing to make an offer contingent on a clean PPI from the dealer. Guy said ok and they are willing to bring it over for the PPI (~8 miles away).

Should I be aggressive and offer $18k or try to squeeze another k off by offering $17k. I should be free to renegotiate if I get bad news form the PPI.

Thoughts?

I mean, I think the listed price is pretty fair. Your call, but 18K contingent on a good report seems reasonable to me, especially if they're willing to drive the car over to get it looked at.

zach 09-25-2020 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JST (Post 564166)
I mean, I think the listed price is pretty fair. Your call, but 18K contingent on a good report seems reasonable to me, especially if they're willing to drive the car over to get it looked at.

Yeah, I agree with this.

FC 09-25-2020 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zach (Post 564167)
Yeah, I agree with this.

That was my thinking. Thanks!

Dealer PPI is $185, but I asked them to perform a full road test as well. That will be another $185 but well worth it for a car bought blind, no?

JST 09-25-2020 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC (Post 564172)
That was my thinking. Thanks!

Dealer PPI is $185, but I asked them to perform a full road test as well. That will be another $185 but well worth it for a car bought blind, no?

Agreed. Seems like a great value.

FC 09-25-2020 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JST (Post 564173)
Agreed. Seems like a great value.

Great. Well, offer of 18k has been sent. Dealer has openings for Tuesday. We'll see.

Meanwhile, just had my final (of 10) interviews today for a new position and it looks like I am getting it. Crazy times.

FC 09-25-2020 05:21 PM

OK, dealer replied saying:

"Price is firm. Just replaced the rear main seal and put a lot of money into it."

So, you DID know something about the repair/service history then.

Anyway, I suppose that's a good thing. But a bit annoyed that it wasn't mentioned when I specifically asked about the history.

I don't mind paying full asking. I just hope these guys are not wasting my time and my inspection money.

JST 09-25-2020 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC (Post 564175)
OK, dealer replied saying:

"Price is firm. Just replaced the rear main seal and put a lot of money into it."

So, you DID know something about the repair/service history then.

Anyway, I suppose that's a good thing. But a bit annoyed that it wasn't mentioned when I specifically asked about the history.

I don't mind paying full asking. I just hope these guys are not wasting my time and my inspection money.

Ha ha yeah maybe they could start by telling you what they put into it, besides armor all and a set of cheap tires?

FC 09-25-2020 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JST (Post 564176)
Ha ha yeah maybe they could start by telling you what they put into it, besides armor all and a set of cheap tires?

Exactly. I must be honest, I was a bit jittery about the car given the mileage, mediocre photos, and it being remote.

The less-than-upfront information is not giving me the warm and fuzzies.

SARAFIL 09-25-2020 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC (Post 564177)
Exactly. I must be honest, I was a bit jittery about the car given the mileage, mediocre photos, and it being remote.

The less-than-upfront information is not giving me the warm and fuzzies.


I think that’s just what you have to expect from a dealer like this. It’s not a Porsche CPO and also not “high end” used car place specializing in these types of cars. If the car is solid (no accident history or major mechanical issues) just accept the fact the dealer will be a little shady and consider it the price you have to pay to score this car for what feels like a really low price.

FC 09-25-2020 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SARAFIL (Post 564179)
I think that’s just what you have to expect from a dealer like this. It’s not a Porsche CPO and also not “high end” used car place specializing in these types of cars. If the car is solid (no accident history or major mechanical issues) just accept the fact the dealer will be a little shady and consider it the price you have to pay to score this car for what feels like a really low price.

Yeah, that’s fair. Thanks for making me feel better.

Josh (PA) 09-25-2020 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC (Post 564180)
Yeah, that’s fair. Thanks for making me feel better.

Fil's comment is very valid. Also, at $18k if you get it and decide you don't like it you can clean it up properly, find a better set of used tires, make a good looking for sale presentation and put it on rennlist to get your money back + some.

clyde 09-25-2020 09:16 PM

Not to be contrarian for contrainism’s sake, but I’d walk. Dealer isn’t up front, they’re not upfront. The dealer may not be high end, but the car isn’t ultra rare unobtanium, it’s not early sprig and you only have one more summer before a terminal disease robs you of future summer top down driving.

You’ll find something better that will be worth your time spent waiting and looking.

No, I have not bought a car for myself yet, nor am I interested in this one.

FC 09-25-2020 10:12 PM

I have reservations, but the last email I got saying “I’ll ask my manager to see what else was done to the car” leads me to believe I’ve been dealing with some rookie.

We’ll see.

clyde 09-26-2020 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC (Post 564188)
I have reservations, but the last email I got saying “I’ll ask my manager to see what else was done to the car” leads me to believe I’ve been dealing with some rookie.

We’ll see.

Fair


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