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3LOU5 03-24-2022 09:34 PM

Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4 or Bridgestone Potenza RE980AS ??
 
If you had a sport sedan and want decent all-around grip/handling in all four seasons, which would you buy ??

Nick M3 03-24-2022 09:41 PM

AS4, with the caveat that the one compromise on them is ride quality.

Josh (PA) 03-24-2022 09:41 PM

Are Conti dsw not an option in your size?

3LOU5 03-24-2022 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick M3 (Post 585052)
AS4, with the caveat that the one compromise on them is ride quality.

I'm kinda leaning on the Michelins as well.

I've had 2 or 3 sets of Michelins on my E46 and I've been pretty happy with them. I think I tried Pirelli P-Zeros too, but I tend to like the Michelins just a touch better.

3LOU5 03-24-2022 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh (PA) (Post 585053)
Are Conti dsw not an option in your size?

I believe they have it in 225/45-17, but I've never driven with Contis, although I've read they're quite highly-rated.

wdc330i 03-24-2022 10:56 PM

I’ve had the Michelin a/s on multiple cars and love them. When the Michelin PS4 tires run out on my new 4, I will replace them with the A/S whatevers.

They are as close as you can get to summers in an A/S. Caveat is, I don’t really know how well they do in anything but very light snow.

lip277 03-25-2022 12:26 PM

I am not familiar with the Bridgestone tire you have here - but I have Mich PS A/S 4 on my E9, E38 and E23 currently (yeah - three cars with the same tire).
FYI - I have used that tire (or its earlier versions) on my E38's since 2003 or so. Probably about 400,000 miles all told.

Josh (PA) 03-25-2022 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 3LOU5 (Post 585055)
I believe they have it in 225/45-17, but I've never driven with Contis, although I've read they're quite highly-rated.

I love them, and I know Nick speaks very highly of them also. They seem to be 90+% of the Michelins (with a number of things they do better) for 75-% of the cost. In this segment, they'd get my vote.

Nick M3 03-25-2022 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh (PA) (Post 585067)
I love them, and I know Nick speaks very highly of them also. They seem to be 90+% of the Michelins (with a number of things they do better) for 75-% of the cost. In this segment, they'd get my vote.

They give up a lot in dry grip vs. the Michelins. But they have much better ride quality. The Michelin feels like a summer tire that just happens to work in cold conditions and mild snow. The DWS is a great tire, but no one will tell you that it feels like a summer tire.

I like the DWS a lot, but I'd be careful about how I compare it.

Biggins 03-25-2022 11:47 PM

I just bought Continental DWS06 for my E92 for everyday driving. I have a couple long drives next week, so I can report back after then. These replaced a combo of Michelin PS2s and Michelin runflats. I liked the feel on my 10 mile drive back from the tire shop.

3LOU5 03-26-2022 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggins (Post 585074)
I just bought Continental DWS06 for my E92 for everyday driving. I have a couple long drives next week, so I can report back after then. These replaced a combo of Michelin PS2s and Michelin runflats. I liked the feel on my 10 mile drive back from the tire shop.

That would be great, thanks.

They do say that the Contis have a softer sidewall, which contributes for a better ride. Honestly, I don't mind the lesser ride quality of the Michelins; I would sacrifice quality over grip/safety, because there are a lot of idiot drivers here in NV, and I have jammed the binders numerous times to avoid collisions over the years.

:lol: :lol:

SCA 03-26-2022 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick M3 (Post 585052)
AS4, with the caveat that the one compromise on them is ride quality.

Totally agree with Nick. I am sure it varies per the vehicle they are installed on, but it made my former ZHP ride like a lunar rover. They were loud as well. I used the Michelin Promise and upgraded to the PS4S for an additional $150. Amazingly both issues were fully resolved. Love the PS4S!

Like yourself I technically tend to lean towards purchasing Michelins because the additional expense always seems to be well worth the investment.

Edit: BTW, my parents have been running 20” Conti DWS on their ‘13 X5 50i since the run craps [flats] bit the dust. They love them and the newest version only got better.

Biggins 04-04-2022 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 3LOU5 (Post 585086)
That would be great, thanks.

They do say that the Contis have a softer sidewall, which contributes for a better ride. Honestly, I don't mind the lesser ride quality of the Michelins; I would sacrifice quality over grip/safety, because there are a lot of idiot drivers here in NV, and I have jammed the binders numerous times to avoid collisions over the years.

:lol: :lol:

After just under 1000 miles on the new Continental DWS06 last week in freezing temps, I am a big fan. I drove through the entire state of Pennsylvania through some nasty snow squalls in sub 20 degree temps with no issues (luckily just missed the 50 car pile up on I-81 by less than an hour). They seem very quiet and worked well on the wet roads when I returned to Maryland. Though they were a necessary purchase, I do not have any regrets at this point and think they will suit my needs well. :dunno:

3LOU5 04-13-2022 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggins (Post 585543)
After just under 1000 miles on the new Continental DWS06 last week in freezing temps, I am a big fan. I drove through the entire state of Pennsylvania through some nasty snow squalls in sub 20 degree temps with no issues (luckily just missed the 50 car pile up on I-81 by less than an hour). They seem very quiet and worked well on the wet roads when I returned to Maryland. Though they were a necessary purchase, I do not have any regrets at this point and think they will suit my needs well. :dunno:

I really will have to consider this tire.

It's just I had such good luck with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S tires in the past, that it would be difficult for me to switch. However, I'm a firm believer in "spreading the wealth", and judging from all the reviews I've read, may break my Michelin pattern and give these Contis a try.

Nick M3 04-13-2022 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 3LOU5 (Post 585833)
I really will have to consider this tire.

It's just I had such good luck with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S tires in the past, that it would be difficult for me to switch. However, I'm a firm believer in "spreading the wealth", and judging from all the reviews I've read, may break my Michelin pattern and give these Contis a try.

You're trading grip for ride quality with the DWS. Basically just a question of what you're after.

FC 04-13-2022 05:00 PM

This thread reminds me of my A/S vs Summer tire dilemma for the GTI. At least I am convinced now that I will get winter tires, but I do like the flexibility of on worrying about a random cold day. as the seasons turn. That and the comparative wear rate of PS4S vs A/S give me pause. This GTI will be driven a lot in the next few years. Likely over 15k/year, which is a lot for me.

Anyway, good discussion. Seems the DWS tires are great.

Nick M3 04-13-2022 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FC (Post 585841)
This thread reminds me of my A/S vs Summer tire dilemma for the GTI. At least I am convinced now that I will get winter tires, but I do like the flexibility of on worrying about a random cold day. as the seasons turn. That and the comparative wear rate of PS4S vs A/S give me pause. This GTI will be driven a lot in the next few years. Likely over 15k/year, which is a lot for me.

Anyway, good discussion. Seems the DWS tires are great.

We've reached a point where summer tires from ten years ago are mostly worse than the best all seasons today. And the good summer tires of today are borderline r-tires, with the downsides that that entails.

3LOU5 04-16-2022 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick M3 (Post 585834)
You're trading grip for ride quality with the DWS. Basically just a question of what you're after.

Yeah, that's the dilemma I'm having.

However, I really don't feel the ride of my E46 is that bad. I specifically ordered my car with the Premium Package and non-Sport suspension. Obviously, I valued ride quality over sportiness/handling at the time I ordered her. With the firmer Michelins, the ride is good enough for me. And with idiot drivers here in NV, I value traction (and my life) A LOT more.

While I like to spread the wealth and try different brands, I'm also the type that like to stick with what works. That is why all of my large TVs are SONY.

And most likely why I'll end up buying another set of Michelin Pilot Sport A/S ....

3LOU5 04-16-2022 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC (Post 585841)
This thread reminds me of my A/S vs Summer tire dilemma for the GTI. At least I am convinced now that I will get winter tires, but I do like the flexibility of on worrying about a random cold day. as the seasons turn. That and the comparative wear rate of PS4S vs A/S give me pause. This GTI will be driven a lot in the next few years. Likely over 15k/year, which is a lot for me.

Anyway, good discussion. Seems the DWS tires are great.

I might try the DWS on our minivan.

She's almost due for new shoes. They say the Cross Climate is one of the best tires, and I might try those instead.

And yup, they're MIchelins as well, lol.

3LOU5 04-16-2022 03:13 PM

I really should buy stock in Michelin ....

:lol: :lol:

3LOU5 11-18-2022 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3LOU5 (Post 585920)
I might try the DWS on our minivan.

She's almost due for new shoes. They say the Cross Climate is one of the best tires, and I might try those instead.

And yup, they're MIchelins as well, lol.

I ended up buying a set of Pirelli Scorpion A/S Plus 3 instead of the Michelin Cross Climates for our Sienna.

So much for that idea, lol.

I'll probably put the new version of Contis DWS 06 on my E46 instead of the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4, as originally planned. Never tried Contis before, and so far, all I've heard are good things about them.

This will probably occur early next spring, and will resort to driving my 1/2-ton shod with BFG All-Terrain KO2s when the weather turns sour.

3LOU5 11-18-2022 08:33 PM

I really enjoy all the tire reviews of this YouTuber, such as this:

https://youtu.be/NiZNM-EXd3I

wdc330i 11-18-2022 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3LOU5 (Post 592353)
I really enjoy all the tire reviews of this YouTuber, such as this:

https://youtu.be/NiZNM-EXd3I

Yep. Watched a bunch of those. Getting my Michelin All Season 4s put on this week.

In the 20s overnight here these days; which means the same in the am when I schlep the kid to school. Luckily no precip at the same time yet.

How about Buffalo, though? OMG!

3LOU5 11-18-2022 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wdc330i (Post 592354)
Yep. Watched a bunch of those. Getting my Michelin All Season 4s put on this week.

In the 20s overnight here these days; which means the same in the am when I schlep the kid to school. Luckily no precip at the same time yet.

How about Buffalo, though? OMG!

Thatís when you pull out your snowmobiles (called ďsledsĒ out here).

wdc330i 11-18-2022 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 3LOU5 (Post 592358)
Thatís when you pull out your snowmobiles (called ďsledsĒ out here).

For 6 feet!!!!

3LOU5 11-19-2022 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wdc330i (Post 592359)
For 6 feet!!!!

Eh, that's nothing.

Many use them here in the backcountry where the snow is a lot deeper than 6 feet. They just have to either change out the front skids to something wider for better float above the snow and the tracks with longer "paddles" for added traction.

They just need access to their garage to get their sleds out ........ which is often buried in the white stuff.

:lol: :lol:

wdc330i 11-28-2022 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdc330i (Post 592354)
Yep. Watched a bunch of those. Getting my Michelin All Season 4s put on this week.

In the 20s overnight here these days; which means the same in the am when I schlep the kid to school. Luckily no precip at the same time yet.

How about Buffalo, though? OMG!

Michelin all reasons are on the car. Still in break-in, but so far, so good. I kept the summers, as they only have about 3k miles on them. Nice to have a spare set, as this size seems a bit tough to find.

Edit: and actually one of the summers is new, as the shop damaged one in the swap.

Alan 11-28-2022 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wdc330i (Post 592520)
Michelin all reasons are on the car. Still in break-in, but so far, so good. I kept the summers, as they only have about 3k miles on them. Nice to have a spare set, as this size seems a bit tough to find.

Edit: and actually one of the summers is new, as the shop damaged one in the swap.

Cool, looking forward to hear how you like them in time, something tells me these tires will be the best decision you made.

wdc330i 11-28-2022 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan (Post 592523)
Cool, looking forward to hear how you like them in time, something tells me these tires will be the best decision you made.

Thanks, Alan. I am a veteran of previous variations of these tires—all the way back to my E46 330i and M3. They really are great.

Best is the Michelin Pilot Sport summers swapped with Pilot Alpins, which I’ve also done. But, I am over the twice-a-year swap, and really don’t need it down here.

I put the DWS on the e46 wagon once upon a time, and I liked them, too. Just prefer the harder-edged Michelins on my primary car.

And not having to worry too much about driving around on the 20-degree days with a chance of precip is, well, priceless.

I am Ok with a lot more compromises for practical reasons as I get older. Which is how I ended up with an AWD car with an automatic on all seasons. LOL. Not to mention the big-toothed grille and hatchback.

I’ll leave it to my son to buy the M2 equivalent in his future. He has already been bitten by the bug.

3LOU5 11-29-2022 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdc330i (Post 592524)
Thanks, Alan. I am a veteran of previous variations of these tiresóall the way back to my E46 330i and M3. They really are great.

Best is the Michelin Pilot Sport summers swapped with Pilot Alpins, which Iíve also done. But, I am over the twice-a-year swap, and really donít need it down here.

I put the DWS on the e46 wagon once upon a time, and I liked them, too. Just prefer the harder-edged Michelins on my primary car.

And not having to worry too much about driving around on the 20-degree days with a chance of precip is, well, priceless.

I am Ok with a lot more compromises for practical reasons as I get older. Which is how I ended up with an AWD car with an automatic on all seasons. LOL. Not to mention the big-toothed grille and hatchback.

Iíll leave it to my son to buy the M2 equivalent in his future. He has already been bitten by the bug.

Like you, I've been a huge fan of Michelin PS A/S, and have had great luck with them. I'm still on the fence as to whether or not to try the DWS, with price the only determining factor.

I'm probably like 51% DWS/49% PS as of now, LOL.

I've changed the tires of our Sienna recently from Michelin Primacy Tour A/S to Pirelli Scorpion A/S Plus 3. So far, I like them but haven't really tested them out in the rain or snow. Tire Rack has had good reviews, and Danica Patrick approved of them as well in a YouTube video.

Hey, if it's good enough for Danica, it's good enough for me.

:lol: :lol:

wdc330i 11-29-2022 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3LOU5 (Post 592553)
Like you, I've been a huge fan of Michelin PS A/S, and have had great luck with them. I'm still on the fence as to whether or not to try the DWS, with price the only determining factor.

I'm probably like 51% DWS/49% PS as of now, LOL.

I've changed the tires of our Sienna recently from Michelin Primacy Tour A/S to Pirelli Scorpion A/S Plus 3. So far, I like them but haven't really tested them out in the rain or snow. Tire Rack has had good reviews, and Danica Patrick approved of them as well in a YouTube video.

Hey, if it's good enough for Danica, it's good enough for me.

:lol: :lol:

For sure. Apropos, the Michelin CrossClimates sound very good, too. I’ve had Pirellis on my Hondas and liked them. But never quite as much as the Michelins.

3LOU5 12-01-2022 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wdc330i (Post 592590)
For sure. Apropos, the Michelin CrossClimates sound very good, too. Iíve had Pirellis on my Hondas and liked them. But never quite as much as the Michelins.

These are highly-rated as well. The only thing I didn't particularly like is that because the tire is unidirectional, it can only be rotated front to back.

Which means that the side with the drive wheel (which I believe the right side) will wear faster than the non-drive wheel side.

In addition, the Pirellis have a longer mile warranty.

(I've had the Pirelli P-Zeros A/S before on my BMW and was pretty happy with their performance and durability).

Josh (PA) 12-01-2022 08:14 AM

I'll just reiterate my support of the DWS series. The fact that they're ~$25/tire cheaper makes the decision way easier IMHO. It would probalby cover the cost of that drone you just bought ;) :lol:

3LOU5 12-02-2022 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh (PA) (Post 592599)
I'll just reiterate my support of the DWS series. The fact that they're ~$25/tire cheaper makes the decision way easier IMHO. It would probalby cover the cost of that drone you just bought ;) :lol:

Thanks Josh.

Honestly, Iíve yet to hear bad reviews about the DWS, so Iíll most likely give them a try.

Michelin canít be grabbing ALL my business, lol.

equ 12-03-2022 01:28 PM

I've had both the DW and DWS series. Not bad tires, but Michelins are noticeably better IMHO. Neither are great at snow.

wdc330i 12-04-2022 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by equ (Post 592649)
I've had both the DW and DWS series. Not bad tires, but Michelins are noticeably better IMHO. Neither are great at snow.

Right. I would definitely just swap between winters and summers if I had to contend with real snow. Or, winters and all seasons, so I am not concerned about fluctuating shoulder seasons.


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