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lemming 09-30-2009 07:45 PM

dumb question about understeer.....
 
.....does modifying the rear sway bar really (notably) affect the tendency of FWDers or AWDers to understeer?

i'm dubious because most FWDers and AWDers still have the 60/40 weight distribution.

equ 09-30-2009 07:54 PM

A lot of a4 and s4 people put in an rs4 sway... :dunno:

lemming 09-30-2009 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by equ (Post 244831)
A lot of a4 and s4 people put in an rs4 sway... :dunno:

there's a lot of people who put M badges on non-M cars, too........fact is still fact, but not necessarily congruent with the inquiry, no?

rumatt 09-30-2009 09:43 PM

Yes.

I vaguely remember E46Fanatics threads where they ended up in the ditch backward during a rain storm after installing UUC sways and setting the rear to full stiff.

A stiffer rear sway also increases rear wheel lift thought, so you spin one wheel more easily. It's not a perfect solution.

John V 09-30-2009 10:03 PM

Sway bars tend to decrease grip at the end of the car at which they're installed.

So yes.

ff 09-30-2009 10:18 PM

What's the relationship again? Stiffer sway = less grip?

FC 09-30-2009 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ff (Post 244855)
What's the relationship again? Stiffer sway = less grip?

That's the only reasonable answer I can see. Stiffer sawy leads to less independent movement of the wheels, which leads to less compliance with the road, which (adversly) affects the size of the tire patch making contact.

But I admitedly know nothing about car suspensions.

clyde 09-30-2009 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming (Post 244829)
.....does modifying the rear sway bar really (notably) affect the tendency of FWDers or AWDers to understeer?

i'm dubious because most FWDers and AWDers still have the 60/40 weight distribution.

Instead of starting with a solution, what is the problem you're trying to solve?

John V 10-01-2009 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC (Post 244857)
That's the only reasonable answer I can see. Stiffer sawy leads to less independent movement of the wheels, which leads to less compliance with the road, which (adversly) affects the size of the tire patch making contact.

But I admitedly know nothing about car suspensions.

Actually, the size of the contact patch doesn't change.

FC 10-01-2009 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John V (Post 244880)
Actually, the size of the contact patch doesn't change.

You mean collectively? I would think it would vary on any given tire.:dunno:


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