wtf is lexus thinking with the new IS?
 

They are already the laggards in a shrinking market segment, yet they choose to come to the party with a barely warmed over version of a 10 year platform? They barely even changed the interior- and of course are still using the same engine lineup. I could see following this strategy in a mainstream brand, but for a premium brand it just seems like shooting yourself in the foot.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...edan-revealed/

That being said, I kinda like the looks. But if they just want to milk this aging platform FCA-style they'd probably be better off just badging it as a Toyota Altezza or something and cutting the price. Plus, i remember reading an article that mentioned Toyota is still investing in sedans (a la the new Camry) as they see other brands exiting the market is creating an opportunity. Yet-- they invest nothing in their premium sedans.

Maybe i've just had too much coffee this morning, but the IS is a car that always wanted to like. Interesting styling, toyota reliabilty and Lexus customer service. But there have always been fatal flaws too. It's like they are just looking for an excuse to cancel it.

I had the exact same feeling when I watched the release yesterday at Lexis.com. I do like the exterior look. Thr headlights are less complicated. I also like the flared arches going over the back quarter panels allowing more sporty look with bigger tires. I’m so so on the rear. It’s kind of strange looking with the full length light. It’s very Lincoln looking to me.

The biggest letdown as you stated is the carryover engines. They could’ve gone with a three staged approach. Pumping up the power on the baseline four-cylinder a little then adding twin turbos to the six in the mid range. And then either following a infinity approach with more boost for the top line engine that might be an I SF or like others have said installed a higher horsepower naturally aspirated version of the RCF engine.

Like you stated I think they’re shooting themselves in the foot and giving folks another reason not to buy sedans.

I sawit the other day and thought the same thing. What a piss poor effort...

They're probably just writing off the segment and throwing shit they already have in the microwave to warm it over and milk what's left of the market as cheaply and efficiently as possible. :dunno:

Sounds a bit like Porsche's strategy.

Couple differences:

1) Porsches are actually really good to start with.
2) You can't argue that they aren't iterating the drivetrains, even if you don't necessarily like their choices.

Yea, I think there is a degree of this. If you look at BMW sales as an example, 3 series buyers have flocked to X1/X3 to huge degree and same trend with 5er -> X5 (myself included). I don’t know the specifics for Audi and Benz but assuming the same holds. At this point Lexus is unlikely to change their position in this class even with big investment (if they haven’t beat out 3er, C or A4 after two decades, why would they assume they could now?) and the segment is shrinking, but still enough volume where they wouldn’t walk away completely - so invest just enough to freshen your product and accept a #4 spot.

That being said, Toyota does have a track record of keeping some models on the market for way too long with only minor updates along the way. So hard to say how much this is an assessment of this specific class vs. broader tactic.

Did some more reading and I think the other challenge they have is that they don't have a new RWD platform that's suitable for sports cars and compact sedans of this size. Apparently, the "TNGA luxury" platform that underpins the new Lexus LS can't be shrunken enough for smaller vehicles. Given that BMW is able to build 3 series and up on their new CLAR platform, it seems a bit like a botched platform strategy on Toyota's part. They are pretty much stuck with using TNGA FWD-based platform for all of their smaller sedans and crossovers. Sure, most customers won't know/care on paper but I think it does affect the way the cars feel in subtle ways that give brands like MB and BMW an edge. Then you have Genesis which is also planning some RWD crossovers. So... I get that they can't really justify the development costs for a complete redesign unless it was able to share a platform. But still.

Also, was just thinking that with the GT86 and Supra, Toyota now sells 2 RWD sports cars. Another reason the IS might be a better fit under the Toyota brand now-- they seem to be creating an enthusiast niche of RWD cars within that brand.

I'd be surprised if BMW would let Toyota use the Supra shared platform on a 3 series competitor.

The very kind of thing that has made German cars feel so much better to me as long as I've been driving, I think.

Didn't mean to imply that. Was just saying that, in thinking about it, the IS might actually fit better in a toyota showroom next to those cars. Badged as a toyota, and at a lower price point, I think it could make more sense (given the outdated platform).

They're actually doing this with the Harrier, aren't they?

Oh interesting- hadn't seen that. I guess the Harrier and Lexus RX are no longer twins?

On the other hand, Mazda is doing some good things:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022...e-six-details/

If Mazda actually offered that they need to offer AWD if they are making the base RWD ... I had an Infiniti G50 RWD in Florida as a rental and I really liked it a lot .. I could totally own one (in AWD) except in the rain the rear end would come out and truthfully to me it was not in a fun way, AWD is needed even in the warm weather for a DD ... at least IMO.

As far as Lexus, it just sucks they gave up, I always liked the GS & IS models but they are outdated and unexciting. I will hold out to see the new IS in person hopefully it looks more up to date than that article.

That is one of the main reasons I just bought a loaded AWD Fusion. Second reason was because the wife really missed her 2014 version (this one is much nicer than the old one)

Completely get it plus Ford did a really good job with the Fusion ... it really is a beautiful sedan why Ford wants out of the sedan business kinda sucks ...

Yeah that looks very promising. I think mazda is my favorite car company now - one of the few who seem to still try and name cars that are engaging to drive, look good and have nice interiors at an affordable price.


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