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If I ever had thoughts of going back...
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161903
If I ever had thoughts of going back...
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161903
Meh. Yours was just as nice.
Very sweet but the price is insane for the miles, regardless of mods/upkeep because the market will not really value that. He should just keep it at this point.
That is very very nice. Those wheels look great and magma is my favorite e36 interior.
undefined
08-24-2006, 12:08 PM
magma is the worst BMW interior evAr
magma is the worst BMW interior evAr
ummm why. I have dove and its DEFINETLY the worst to me.
rumatt
08-24-2006, 12:21 PM
Nice, but white sucks.
:+1
iateyourcheese
08-24-2006, 12:21 PM
That guy put a ton of money into that car.
$3k for brakes.
$3k in the cam kit.
$2k in the wheels.
$1 - 2k in the suspension.
+ so much other stuff.
And it all seems to be new / barely used.
Let the E36 M3 go, people. Just let it go.
Let the E36 M3 go, people. Just let it go.
But cheese hasn't even had his that long. And it's a pretty damn good one.
That's different. They already have it. No need to dump it if they like it.
It's a great car, don't get me wrong. But you just sold yours. Move on.
I'm all for getting one for track purposes, but to think it would make great daily driver at this age, I dunno.
iateyourcheese
08-24-2006, 01:07 PM
That's different. They already have it. No need to dump it if they like it.
It's a great car, don't get me wrong. But you just sold yours. Move on.
I'm all for getting one for track purposes, but to think it would make great daily driver at this age, I dunno.
I suppose you're right. I work in the same building as my wife, so if my DD breaks down then it's no big deal. The only problem is that I live 100+ miles from any BMW mechanic in case something major does happen.
Anyway, I like the M3 a lot.... it has "character" that my e46 didn't have. Also, the main reason I bought it was to get a project car. I was looking for a car to learn on, and an e36 M3 is just reliable enough to be decent, but throws enough curveballs to be interesting. For example, the VANOS unit was stuck, giving it a rough idle and robbing me of some down low torque. It was a great weekend project, and now the car feels so much more alive. If I had kids then I could see the car requiring too much time, though.
Oh, and I'm taking it to do my first DE this weekend. Oddly enough, the most common car in the StL BMW club seems to be the M3 sedan. I'll try to get some pics this weekend.
John V
08-24-2006, 01:14 PM
Let the E36 M3 go, people. Just let it go.
If you could buy something comparable today, I'd agree.
The RX-8 comes close but it's missing the torque and the awesome fuel mileage. The ZHP is maybe closer spiritually, but it's missing the diff and the soul.
I suppose you're right. I work in the same building as my wife, so if my DD breaks down then it's no big deal. The only problem is that I live 100+ miles from any BMW mechanic in case something major does happen.
Anyway, I like the M3 a lot.... it has "character" that my e46 didn't have. Also, the main reason I bought it was to get a project car. I was looking for a car to learn on, and an e36 M3 is just reliable enough to be decent, but throws enough curveballs to be interesting. For example, the VANOS unit was stuck, giving it a rough idle and robbing me of some down low torque. It was a great weekend project, and now the car feels so much more alive. If I had kids then I could see the car requiring too much time, though.
Oh, and I'm taking it to do my first DE this weekend. Oddly enough, the most common car in the StL BMW club seems to be the M3 sedan. I'll try to get some pics this weekend.
I did one DE in it and had a great time. Thanks to the kids, I never found the time to do another.
I actually enjoyed the occasional project on it as well. But as I was using it as a DD for a 50 mile (roundtrip) commute, reliability was an issue.
I am seriously happy the car found such a good home.
If you could buy something comparable today, I'd agree.
The RX-8 comes close but it's missing the torque and the awesome fuel mileage. The ZHP is maybe closer spiritually, but it's missing the diff and the soul.
By todays standards its not fast at all, but in the fun to drive as a DD category, it ranks pretty highly with most of the affordable, I said "affordable", choices currently out there.
DD meaning I have a 7 mile commute to work and back.
If you could buy something comparable today, I'd agree.
The RX-8 comes close but it's missing the torque and the awesome fuel mileage. The ZHP is maybe closer spiritually, but it's missing the diff and the soul.
There is no modern E36 M3. This is true and extremely unfortunate. If one so loves the E36 M3's feel, balance, etc, by all means go ahead and get one. But my point, I guess, is that it is becoming a niche car, similar to what owning an E30 M3 has become. In that if you love it and want, it get it. But for all its greatness, a modern albeit inferior car performance-wise will likely be a far better everyday vehicle for most people, like for instance TD, the thread starter.
There is no modern E36 M3. This is true and extremely unfortunate. If one so loves the E36 M3's feel, balance, etc, by all means go ahead and get one. But my point, I guess, is that it is becoming a niche car, similar to what owning an E30 M3 has become. In that if you love it and want, it get it. But for all its greatness, a modern albeit inferior car performance-wise will likely be a far better everyday vehicle for most people, like for instance TD, the thread starter.
I fully agree on all points.
The only reason I don't feel the same about the E30 M3 is becasue it has zero in the go dept. The E36 is not fast by any means, but it has enough get up to keep things exciting.
John V
08-24-2006, 02:16 PM
I fully agree on all points.
The only reason I don't feel the same about the E30 M3 is becasue it has zero in the go dept. The E36 is not fast by any means, but it has enough get up to keep things exciting.
And the E30 M3 is absurdly overpriced for people who don't give a fvck about racing heritage. E36 M3s are getting very cheap.
And the E30 M3 is absurdly overpriced for people who don't give a fvck about racing heritage. E36 M3s are getting very cheap.
In your state maybe. But as with everything else out north, they are still priced stupidly here.
It's nice, but I doubt it's worth $19k with 120k miles on it.
but it's missing . . . the awesome fuel mileage.
Say what? I suppose it's awesome compared to the V, but I hardly use that as a mileage standard. I got like 19/23 the M3. I got 21/30+ with the 330.
clyde
08-24-2006, 03:08 PM
I got approximately 10.6 MPG on my most recent tank in the RX-8.
Maybe I need a new engine.
John V
08-24-2006, 03:20 PM
Say what? I suppose it's awesome compared to the V, but I hardly use that as a mileage standard. I got like 19/23 the M3. I got 21/30+ with the 330.
Looking back over my fuel records:
MPG Low: 18.4 MPG
MPG High: 30.3 MPG
MPG Avg: 23.3 MPG
Over 41,187 miles of ownership.
Methinks something was wrong with yours - I didn't exactly baby the car.
iateyourcheese
08-24-2006, 03:36 PM
It's nice, but I doubt it's worth $19k with 120k miles on it.
I agree, but you can't blame the guy for trying since he's dropped $9k in the car just recently.
I agree, but you can't blame the guy for trying since he's dropped $9k in the car just recently.
Another good reason not to ever go mod crazy unless you plan on keeping the car for a long time or stripping and selling the mods seperatly.
iateyourcheese
08-24-2006, 03:56 PM
Another good reason not to ever go mod crazy unless you plan on keeping the car for a long time or stripping and selling the mods seperatly.
It's hard to justify dropping 50% of the car's value in mods.
lemming
08-24-2006, 04:49 PM
It's hard to justify dropping 50% of the car's value in mods.
the thing i miss the most about the STL BMW club is the easy access to gateway int'l raceway for DEs. and that they usually co-run them with the PCA. it's fun to see how well the e36m3 does when mixed in with all manner of 911s.
anyway. i digress.
this car has 120k miles.
are you guys insane?
Looking back over my fuel records:
MPG Low: 18.4 MPG
MPG High: 30.3 MPG
MPG Avg: 23.3 MPG
Over 41,187 miles of ownership.
Methinks something was wrong with yours - I didn't exactly baby the car.
You got 30 in an M3? Wow. I never saw anything close. I didn't baby it either, of course, but I didn't get anywhere close. I will have to check with the new owner and see what he is getting.
What have other people got? Anybody?
You got 30 in an M3? Wow. I never saw anything close. I didn't baby it either, of course, but I didn't get anywhere close. I will have to check with the new owner and see what he is getting.
What have other people got? Anybody?
Never check, just put gas in when it needs it. =P
It's nice, but I doubt it's worth $19k with 120k miles on it.
Can't say I considered it seriously enough to look at the price and mileage. I just looked at the condition, the colors and the "improvements".
wdc330i
08-24-2006, 10:16 PM
Yeah. You need to wait for one of those time machine cars. A pristine e36 with 30,000 miles that's been run occasionally to clean out the works. Preferably tourmaline violet.
Yeah. You need to wait for one of those time machine cars. A pristine e36 with 30,000 miles that's been run occasionally to clean out the works. Preferably tourmaline violet.
Those are out there. There were so many e36 M3's made you can still find low mile great examples.
John V
08-25-2006, 07:48 AM
You got 30 in an M3?
More than once.
Hell, even after autocross weekends, the mileage didn't dip below 20MPG for the tank.
I wish the Boxster was as good. I only get 21 in regular driving, 18 if lots of city driving, and it's hard pressed to get more than 26 on the freeway.
lemming
08-25-2006, 08:55 AM
More than once.
Hell, even after autocross weekends, the mileage didn't dip below 20MPG for the tank.
I wish the Boxster was as good. I only get 21 in regular driving, 18 if lots of city driving, and it's hard pressed to get more than 26 on the freeway.
seriously? c'mon, JV. it's a boxster. you didn't get it for fuel efficiency. but anyway, this was something that i noticed in the edmunds.com review of the new 3.4litre 987S --they noted that in sixth gear at 80mph, the car was turning 4000rpms. the final drive gearing has to be something really, really short like 3.75:1 or something to be turning those revs!
seriously? c'mon, JV. it's a boxster. you didn't get it for fuel efficiency. but anyway, this was something that i noticed in the edmunds.com review of the new 3.4litre 987S --they noted that in sixth gear at 80mph, the car was turning 4000rpms. the final drive gearing has to be something really, really short like 3.75:1 or something to be turning those revs!
That is impossible. They must have gotten it wrong. The car has a top speed of 169mph (and I doubt it's redline-limited). Redline is, I believe ~7500rpm. The engine must at most be at ~3500rpm @80mph in 6th.
lemming
08-25-2006, 10:25 AM
That is impossible. They must have gotten it wrong. The car has a top speed of 169mph (and I doubt it's redline-limited). Redline is, I believe ~7500rpm. The engine must at most be at ~3500rpm @80mph in 6th.
"On the highway, passing that slowpoke in the 2006 Boxster can be accomplished quickly and easily without even a single downshift. In 6th gear at 80 mph, the 3.4-liter is humming along at just below 4000 rpm, ready to strike."
not sure what just below 4000rpms is, but regardless, that seems high for me in the overdrive gear. 80mph is just under 2000rpms in the c6 and about 2500rpms in the V --and the V has an aggressive 3.73:1 rear end.
"On the highway, passing that slowpoke in the 2006 Boxster can be accomplished quickly and easily without even a single downshift. In 6th gear at 80 mph, the 3.4-liter is humming along at just below 4000 rpm, ready to strike."
not sure what just below 4000rpms is, but regardless, that seems high for me in the overdrive gear. 80mph is just under 2000rpms in the c6 and about 2500rpms in the V --and the V has an aggressive 3.73:1 rear end.
The V and Corvette have an aggressive final drive, but a tall overdrive in 5th and an interplanetary overdrive in 6th. You can do that with 6 or 7 liters of displacement; with 3.4L, if you are going to get decent power in 6th, you need lower overdrive gearing. And, as you point out, for Porsche having adequate thrust at autobahnish speeds in 6th is more important that 2 or 3 mpg in highway consumption.
interplanetary overdrive
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Ent_Warp.jpg
"On the highway, passing that slowpoke in the 2006 Boxster can be accomplished quickly and easily without even a single downshift. In 6th gear at 80 mph, the 3.4-liter is humming along at just below 4000 rpm, ready to strike."
not sure what just below 4000rpms is, but regardless, that seems high for me in the overdrive gear. 80mph is just under 2000rpms in the c6 and about 2500rpms in the V --and the V has an aggressive 3.73:1 rear end.
Well, I agree. 3500rpm @80mph in 6TH is high. But OTOH, 2000rpm @80 is just retarded. That means you can cruise at 160mph at only 4000rpm!!!
So with the C6Z06's nearly 8K limiter, that means 6th is theoretically geared to 320mph?! That's f'd up.:eek: :?
John V
08-25-2006, 10:53 AM
Well, I agree. 3500rpm @80mph in 6TH is high. But OTOH, 2000rpm @80 is just retarded. That means you can cruise at 160mph at only 4000rpm!!!
So with the C6Z06's nearly 8K limiter, that means 6th is theoretically geared to 320mph?! That's f'd up.:eek: :?
The standard Corvettes are geared tall but, at least with the C5, the Z06 version had more standard gearing (i.e., much shorter overall).
Comparing the Boxster to the M3, the Boxster is lighter, is geared taller, has an overdrive 6th gear (the M3 had no overdrive) and makes about the same power and torque yet the fuel mileage in the city is significantly worse.
Minor complaint I suppose.
"On the highway, passing that slowpoke in the 2006 Boxster can be accomplished quickly and easily without even a single downshift. In 6th gear at 80 mph, the 3.4-liter is humming along at just below 4000 rpm, ready to strike."
That has to be wrong. My 3.4 911 was around 3000 rpm at 80.
lemming
08-25-2006, 12:03 PM
The standard Corvettes are geared tall but, at least with the C5, the Z06 version had more standard gearing (i.e., much shorter overall).
Comparing the Boxster to the M3, the Boxster is lighter, is geared taller, has an overdrive 6th gear (the M3 had no overdrive) and makes about the same power and torque yet the fuel mileage in the city is significantly worse.
Minor complaint I suppose.
that's true. the e36m3 5th gear is a 1:1 so that wasn't exactly relaxed highway driving at 90mph, either.
{z06 is going almost 90mph in 6th gear at 2000rpms}
TD,
Are you sure you cant slip one past Misses TD??? haha
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1998-BMW-M3-CONVERTIBLE-BLK-BLK-LOW-MILES-SPORTS-PKG_W0QQitemZ300019477649QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6131QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
iateyourcheese
08-25-2006, 12:48 PM
TD,
Are you sure you cant slip one past Misses TD??? haha
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1998-BMW-M3-CONVERTIBLE-BLK-BLK-LOW-MILES-SPORTS-PKG_W0QQitemZ300019477649QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6131QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
:eek: I want that!
clyde
08-25-2006, 01:30 PM
The V and Corvette have an aggressive final drive, but a tall overdrive in 5th and an interplanetary overdrive in 6th. You can do that with 6 or 7 liters of displacement; with 3.4L, if you are going to get decent power in 6th, you need lower overdrive gearing. And, as you point out, for Porsche having adequate thrust at autobahnish speeds in 6th is more important that 2 or 3 mpg in highway consumption.
I remember the 5.0 Mustang GTs cruising at 60ish turning about 1600 rpm.
John V
08-25-2006, 02:03 PM
TD,
Are you sure you cant slip one past Misses TD??? haha
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1998-BMW-M3-CONVERTIBLE-BLK-BLK-LOW-MILES-SPORTS-PKG_W0QQitemZ300019477649QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6131QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
LOL, "Sports Package?" :lol: Where do people come up with this stuff?
I remember the 5.0 Mustang GTs cruising at 60ish turning about 1600 rpm.
Yes, but stock those things had the torque curve of a diesel.
About 2250 in the V at 80. I happened to look two days ago. Obviously a very different car and engine though.
I used to get 12 - 15 mpg with the e36 M3 on canyon and mountain runs, much less a track. I always just assumed it was a high performance engine that didn't get good gas mileage. Kind of like the one I have now. Anyone getting 30 mpg in a V?
John V
08-25-2006, 03:30 PM
I used to get 12 - 15 mpg with the e36 M3 on canyon and mountain runs, much less a track.
:eek:
Maybe if we had canyons around here I would have gotten 12-15 also.
Though even on my snow-drift driving days I never got below 18.
Not counting track days I got pretty good mileage with my E36. I got a best ever mileage on my way to Bimmerfest, low 20's
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