View Full Version : Guess the e92 M3 curb weight
iateyourcheese
08-17-2006, 09:34 PM
Since leftlanenews is saying BMW may disclose the e92 M3 in September, let's play guess the curb weight.
Sorry, but :m3 is not a valid choice.
My guess: 3700-3749lbs.
:m3
undefined
08-17-2006, 09:57 PM
with 75kg driver plus luggage?
iateyourcheese
08-17-2006, 10:02 PM
with 75kg driver plus luggage?
Vote for something and we'll put a footnote beside your choice.
3550
Don't forget to vote...
with 75kg driver plus luggage?
As BMWNA reports it on the spec sheet, however they measure that.
3750-3799 is my guess
Mine too.
rautox
08-18-2006, 12:26 AM
moo
lemming
08-18-2006, 07:37 AM
i voted for 3600-3649.
aty: i think that we're all basing this on BMW's officially listed curb weight.
i voted for 3600-3649.
aty: i think that we're all basing this on BMW's officially listed curb weight.
I voted for 3550-3599. (As I think the official curb weight will be of a decontented one - no power seats/sunroof etc)
You guys are nuts. The E46 M3 was heavier than the 330. The E36 M3 was heavier than the 328. How do you think the E92 M3 is going to be lighter than the 335? Even with the decontenting, you still have to contend with all of the extra hardware that makes the M3 fast, not least the V8 engine with its associated cams and valves and other bits, along with the bigger brakes, etc.
The Z06, e.g., is only lighter than the stock Corvette because of a hugely aggressive weight reduction plan that took out more weight than the go-fast bits added. I doubt BMW has something that comprehensive in mind for the M3.
lemming
08-18-2006, 11:41 AM
maybe the e92 m3 will finally allow for BMW's dual M strategy. given the 3800lb curb weight, this might finally justify the "lux" version (as is) and the CSL version --it's clear from Porsche's strategy and Ferrari's that enthusiasts are plentiful in the US and are also willing to open their wallets for special versions of already expensive cars.
that said, i don't think a CSL would go beneath 3400 pounds if the Lux is 3800lbs (recall that the e46CSL is a good 400lbs lighter than its standard sibling).
Does anyone else find it anoying that the this thread keeps showing as updated without anyone actually adding to the thread?
I assume its becasue people are just adding to the poll?
Yeah I know, bitch and moan.
iateyourcheese
08-18-2006, 07:02 PM
Does anyone else find it anoying that the this thread keeps showing as updated without anyone actually adding to the thread?
I assume its becasue people are just adding to the poll?
Yeah I know, bitch and moan.
:dunno:
There seems to be a nice distribution forming, though.
http://images.bestwebbuys.com/muze/books/99/0684824299.jpg
Pinecone
08-18-2006, 08:31 PM
Hmm, 650 - 3814, M6 - 3909
550 - 3814, M5 - 4012
E46 330 Coupe - 3285, E46 M3 3415.
E39 540 - 3803, E39 M5 - 4024
Sounds like the new M3 will weigh pretty much the same as the current one.
Hmm, 650 - 3814, M6 - 3909
550 - 3814, M5 - 4012
E46 330 Coupe - 3285, E46 M3 3415.
E39 540 - 3803, E39 M5 - 4024
Sounds like the new M3 will weigh pretty much the same as the current one.
I don't follow--doesn't the list suggest that it will weigh more than the 335?
I'm kind of surprised that the E39 M5 weighed 221 lbs more than the 540.
undefined
08-19-2006, 12:30 AM
550 - 3814, M5 - 4012
E39 540 - 3803, E39 M5 - 4024
Sounds like the new M3 will weigh pretty much the same as the current one.
I don't follow--doesn't the list suggest that it will weigh more than the 335?
no
no
yes.
Look closer at the numbers. The E39 540 and E60 550 weigh very close to the same. Not surprising, then, that the E60 M5 and E39 M5 are very close in weight--but both M5s are substantially heavier than their base model brethren.
Look, now, at the E92 v. E46 Ci weight. The E92 is heavier. The 328 is 3350 and the 335 is 3571 lbs. Whether the 328 or the 335 is a better comparison to the E46 330Ci is hard to figure, but remember one other factoid--BMW's claim that the turbo engine is substantially lighter than an equivalently powerful V8. M engines are a lot of things, but magically light isn't one of them. If a 300 hp V8 weighs X, do you really expect the 400 hp M3 V8 to weigh X-200 lbs?
Pinecone
08-19-2006, 09:14 AM
Are you comparing sedan to sedan and coupe to coupe?
lemming
08-19-2006, 10:05 AM
:dunno:
There seems to be a nice distribution forming, though.
http://images.bestwebbuys.com/muze/books/99/0684824299.jpg
with an obvious tail ON THE LEFT.
:D
iateyourcheese
08-19-2006, 12:00 PM
with an obvious tail ON THE LEFT.
:D
True, but the voting options and the absurdity of the M3 weighing more than a 5er wagon make an artifical tail on the right. :ack:
Are you comparing sedan to sedan and coupe to coupe?
The 335 is only a coupe at this point. The M3 will be a coupe first. The 330Ci is a coupe. AFAIK, the weight given above for the E46s were both coupes (M3 and 330Ci), and the weight I looked up on BMW's web site for the 328 and 335 are both for the E92 variants (i.e., the coupes). I have no idea what the E90 335 will weigh, nor do I have any idea what the E90 M3 (if there ever is such a beast) will weigh--both products are vaporware at this point.
iateyourcheese
09-06-2006, 11:21 AM
Well, it seems the car sounds good on the track.
http://www.autohochzwei.de/bmw_m3_e92_video.html
Anyone want to change their weight guess now that you've seen it corner?
Well, it seems the car sounds good on the track.
http://www.autohochzwei.de/bmw_m3_e92_video.html
Anyone want to change their weight guess now that you've seen it corner?
Forget how much weights, those sounds it was making. V8's rule!!!
I was behind a Crap-T-O the other night and while ugly and huge, that car makes some really nice sounds.
lemming
09-06-2006, 01:30 PM
i'm sure the M5 and M6 both corner like that since the speed is all relative.
even pigs can turn on ice. it's just a question of how well they can turn relative to their predators.
the v8 M3 is guaranteed to be heavier than the 335i so it's still up there. add the necessar 19" or 20" wheels and suddenly it's 3750 pounds.
You are making judgments about how it sounds from that clip? Wow.
I am certain it will sound better than the e46 M3. On the other hand, my wife's sewing machine sounds better than the e46 M3, so that's faint praise.
Sharp11
09-06-2006, 01:49 PM
the v8 M3 is guaranteed to be heavier than the 335i so it's still up there. add the necessar 19" or 20" wheels and suddenly it's 3750 pounds.
It'll still likely be lighter than the S4, its obvious competitor.
That's not saying much, sadly.
What I can't understand is why anyone would pay huge dollars for a V8 M3 when a Corvette, which is lighter, faster etc., can be had for the same or less money :dunno:
And it's got double wishbones!!!
Ed
It'll still likely be lighter than the S4, its obvious competitor.
That's not saying much, sadly.
What I can't understand is why anyone would pay huge dollars for a V8 M3 when a Corvette, which is lighter, faster etc., can be had for the same or less money :dunno:
And it's got double wishbones!!!
Ed
Nevermind that (though true). The bigger question, IMO, is who will pay more for an M3 than they would for a Cayman S with a "close" lb/hp ratio, but with at least over 500lbs less weight and a mid-engined layout? And by the time the E92M3 comes out, the Cayman S can likely be had for 2-5K off, whereas the M3 will be at least selling for MSRP for a while, one would think.
And that there will be two years worth of used Caymen S by the time the M3 comes out.
Pin the M3 cabrio (add another 200-400lbs and $5K) with the even cheaper and ~1000lb lighter 3.4L Boxster S, and the only advantage the M3 has is the two extra mini-seats.
lemming
09-06-2006, 02:40 PM
Nevermind that (though true). The bigger question, IMO, is who will pay more for an M3 than they would for a Cayman S with a "close" lb/hp ratio, but with at least over 500lbs less weight and a mid-engined layout? And by the time the E92M3 comes out, the Cayman S can likely be had for 2-5K off, whereas the M3 will be at least selling for MSRP for a while, one would think.
And that there will be two years worth of used Caymen S by the time the M3 comes out.
Pin the M3 cabrio (add another 200-400lbs and $5K) with the even cheaper and ~1000lb lighter 3.4L Boxster S, and the only advantage the M3 has is the two extra mini-seats.
a lot of people rationalize their M3 purchase by saying that they can use the back seat in a pinch. and i don't disagree. having seating for 4 can be useful, particularly if it is to be one's singular car.
that said, i see no compelling reason to buy an M3 again if the curb weight, sans AWD mechanicals, is going to be 3600-3700 pounds. why? because i already have that, but in a powerplant with more torque and arguably more comfortable seating for 5.
frankly, with the M3 climbing in price, as it undoubtedly will, it makes the standard 911 more and more compelling. not to mention those intangibles. better badge. likely better quality and fewer electronic glitches.
a lot of people rationalize their M3 purchase by saying that they can use the back seat in a pinch. and i don't disagree. having seating for 4 can be useful, particularly if it is to be one's singular car.
that said, i see no compelling reason to buy an M3 again if the curb weight, sans AWD mechanicals, is going to be 3600-3700 pounds. why? because i already have that, but in a powerplant with more torque and arguably more comfortable seating for 5.
frankly, with the M3 climbing in price, as it undoubtedly will, it makes the standard 911 more and more compelling. not to mention those intangibles. better badge. likely better quality and fewer electronic glitches.
No doubt. If my wife says we can't have 3 cars and I must trade in the 330i, AND the replacement car MUST be able to accomodate children, I'm getting a used 997S well before I pull the trigger on a new M3. That is, IF I ever get that kind of a budget.
No doubt. If my wife says we can't have 3 cars and I must trade in the 330i, AND the replacement car MUST be able to accomodate children, I'm getting a used 997S well before I pull the trigger on a new M3. That is, IF I ever get that kind of a budget.
That's a lot of "if"s. :lol:
undefined
09-06-2006, 04:39 PM
If my wife says we can't have 3 cars
:eek:
http://shop.com.edgesuite.net/ccimg.shop.com/210000/214100/214130/products/13227970.jpg
That's a lot of "if"s. :lol:
Indeed.:lol:
In all likelyhood I'll just end up with a Boxster.
But basically, if it all were to line up so that an E92 M3 would be a car to consider, it would still lose to a used 997S.
undefined
03-08-2007, 03:46 PM
bump
bump
Is there an answer yet?
undefined
03-08-2007, 04:07 PM
no
Mr. The Edge
03-08-2007, 06:15 PM
wrong
lemming
03-08-2007, 06:41 PM
can't have three cars, either.
Where's the "Fat Pig" choice?
zeroday
03-08-2007, 11:00 PM
3950 just like the rs4.
undefined
04-04-2007, 02:59 AM
3483
stuka
04-04-2007, 03:00 AM
3483
That's still a lot of car for a single piston open caliper brakes to stop.:lol:
3483
To be fair, if this is true, that is pretty impressive relative to the previous M3 and their current vanilla 3ers. Of course, that is far from a light car.
lemming
04-04-2007, 08:55 AM
3483
not bad, if official weight.
Since bonoboy can't be bothered to post more than a one-word response, I'll give the source:
http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/12774/2008-bmw-m3-coupe-official-photos-info.html
This C/D article gives the curb weight ("according to BMW") as 3483 lbs, or about 100 lbs lighter than the 335.
I'm surprised, though I think a big chunk of this is probably down to the fact that BMW is going to make many of the things that are standard on the 335 optional on the M3.
But, nice job keeping the car somewhat light. Ish. Sort of. At least it isn't the 3800 lb monster I was afraid it was going to be.
OTOH, if price starts at 60K, I am officially Not Interested. At all. With base 997s only a bit more expensive (and likely to hold their value much better), for me it will be an easy choice to not buy an M3.
EDIT: Congratulations to CABINBLACKM3. For guessing correctly, Bobbie wins an Aston Martin key chain.
http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showpost.php?p=137086&postcount=63
http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showpost.php?p=137086&postcount=63
Yeah, but your vote in this poll was too low. Only one person got it right here.
And while I was wrong about the overall weight of the car, the M3 engine is still heavier than the 335 engine (though only by a bit).
undefined
04-04-2007, 07:56 PM
okay, who just voted?
:lol:
lemming
04-04-2007, 08:02 PM
Yeah, but your vote in this poll was too low. Only one person got it right here.
And while I was wrong about the overall weight of the car, the M3 engine is still heavier than the 335 engine (though only by a bit).
which is marginally surprising because of the twin turbos and the assorted plumbing.
rumatt
04-04-2007, 08:46 PM
So we're a bunch of pessimists, eh?
Yeah, but your vote in this poll was too low. Only one person got it right here.
He was pretty close though.
stuka
04-04-2007, 08:50 PM
If they put real brakes on the car, it has a chance as a good GT.
With the dog excrement for brakes that they got on there, ha.:rolleyes:
lemming
04-04-2007, 09:14 PM
If they put real brakes on the car, it has a chance as a good GT.
With the dog excrement for brakes that they got on there, ha.:rolleyes:
problem is always the brakes, but the car is fine for the street.
and for the most part, peeps will use the M3 as a DD and have somethin' sharper for the track.
and for those who own the M3 as a sole car, then pity for them when they get to the track with "all of that power" and soon see spec miatas lapping them because they've gone straight into the gravel pits from brake fade.
:)
Sharp11
04-04-2007, 09:27 PM
If they put real brakes on the car, it has a chance as a good GT.
With the dog excrement for brakes that they got on there, ha.:rolleyes:
Let's wait for the car to be released and see how it does before we all decide we know best?
Ok?
Ed
stuka
04-04-2007, 09:37 PM
Let's wait for the car to be released and see how it does before we all decide we know best?
Ok?
Ed
You can see the single piston sliding open caliper brakes from the pictures.
Experiences with previous portly M3 at 3400 pound leads me to reasonably conclude that with no changes in braking system, this one won't be able to stop for shit either.
undefined
04-05-2007, 05:53 PM
okay, who voted and got it wrong again? :D
Pinecone
04-05-2007, 05:53 PM
Hmm, 650 - 3814, M6 - 3909
550 - 3814, M5 - 4012
E46 330 Coupe - 3285, E46 M3 3415.
E39 540 - 3803, E39 M5 - 4024
Sounds like the new M3 will weigh pretty much the same as the current one.
Hmm, pretty close considering R&T and C&D are saying 3500. :)
okay, who voted and got it wrong again? :D
I closed it.
Jason C
04-05-2007, 09:20 PM
You can see the single piston sliding open caliper brakes from the pictures.
Experiences with previous portly M3 at 3400 pound leads me to reasonably conclude that with no changes in braking system, this one won't be able to stop for shit either.
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rumatt
04-05-2007, 09:26 PM
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:lol: :lol:
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That is one of the funniest thigns I've seen in a long time.:lol: :lol: :lol:
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