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http://www.bm3w.co.uk/ug/data/500/DSC00043.jpg
Are they dropping the "Ci" designation for coupes? And whatever happened to the coupe being the 4-series?
This does suggest there will be a 335. It's just a matter of when.
LOL...I just saw it. Looks freakin' good!
Supposedly the "C" is being dropped. Sedan 335 SOP 09/06. Like JST stated, we will know detail at the Geneva Auto Show.
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02-07-2006, 10:42 AM
I think the 4 series is going to be the retractable hardtop line
???
I've been okay with the rear views of the new 3s. This is no exception except that it seems even more bland than the sedan rear.
lemming
02-07-2006, 10:45 AM
because water vapor is only coming out of a single exhaust instead of both evenly, i wonder if that exhaust system isn't like the "twin dual" system of the M3 (faux duals, IOWs).
i would hope that it's a true dual exhaust system because when they did that for the M coupe, it gained 10-15 true hp over the e36m3 (single pass exhaust).
other than that, yippee!
i'm excited about this breaking news.
I like the shape of those taillights much better. And the dual exhaust adds some beef and balance.
The sedan should use the same rear, IMO.
it seems even more bland than the sedan rear.
Really?:dunno: I think this looks better than the sedan.
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02-07-2006, 11:11 AM
Well...There does appear to be vapour coming from only the right side exhaust. That could be due to an exhaust bypass valve, as in the old 328i/330i which used a vacuum to close one of the pipes when on the cold startup cycle.
From the back, I like it, though the shape of the trunk has forced the traditional badge into a very weird place.
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02-07-2006, 11:30 AM
yeah---i'd think about debadging if i had one
lemming
02-07-2006, 11:49 AM
i hope what you are posting is true, aty.
it would disappoint me both from an aesthetics standpoint as well as performance if the exhaust was the phony twin dual approach that GM has used for years, but BMW has recently seen fit to adopt for its exhaust systems.
;)
IndyMike
02-07-2006, 12:34 PM
All I get is a red x. Darn filters tell me it's an Entertainment Site when I cut and paste.
Note to self: remember to discuss with Donnie Rumsfeld at 3 martini lunch at the Pink Pussycat Club tomorrow about how these infernal firewalls are getting to be too intrusive. :irate:
What's the frontend generally look like? Is it a mirror of the sedan?
TIA
What's the frontend generally look like? Is it a mirror of the sedan?
TIA
Just have a general idea, but nothing craved in stone. Somewhat simlar.
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02-07-2006, 12:57 PM
it's just a pic of the rear
All I get is a red x. Darn filters tell me it's an Entertainment Site when I cut and paste.
Note to self: remember to discuss with Donnie Rumsfeld at 3 martini lunch at the Pink Pussycat Club tomorrow about how these infernal firewalls are getting to be too intrusive. :irate:
What's the frontend generally look like? Is it a mirror of the sedan?
TIA
FWIW, the rumor is that marketing nixed the move to the 2-door 3er being renamed 4 series -- too much brand equity in the 3 series.
What I'm really interested in finding is a pic of the front -- some of the older disguised spy shots hint that it has more of a 6-er or Z4 front. Hopefully not...
Otherwise looks good...
IndyMike
02-07-2006, 01:13 PM
Thanks, fellow mudgeon legionnaires! :thumbup:
So far Mikey likes it. :yes:
And Sean, I'm hoping that the front is also a bit different from the sedan, as to me that is the weakest link.
Oh well, if not, there is always aftermarket tuners like Hamann and AC Schnitzel (sic). :eeps:
:tomatos:
:lol:
I'm glad that BMW dumped the idea of renaming the 3-coupes. Unless there were to be significant differences, as there are between 5s and 6s, it didn't make any sense to me. Besides, M4 doesn't roll of the tongue nearly as well as M3.
Anyway, the poorly scanned low-res newsprint photo does seem to show an attractive rear. I'm curious to see what, if anything, is different on the other end of the car.
Not a Coupe, but a 335i sedan testing in Cali.
The lower edge of the door frame also seems to be very sculpted, much like the Z4. I wonder what that will do to the profile??
The rear does look promising though. =)
PS - I just now figured out who Govt Mule is from the fest!! DUH!! HI MIKE!!
The lower edge of the door frame also seems to be very sculpted, much like the Z4. I wonder what that will do to the profile??
The rear does look promising though. =)
PS - I just now figured out who Govt Mule is from the fest!! DUH!! HI MIKE!!
Yup. For all those who hadn't made the connection, Gov't Mule = Indy Mike
Thanks, fellow mudgeon legionnaires! :thumbup:
So far Mikey likes it. :yes:
And Sean, I'm hoping that the front is also a bit different from the sedan, as to me that is the weakest link.
Oh well, if not, there is always aftermarket tuners like Hamann and AC Schnitzel (sic). :eeps:
:tomatos:
:lol:
I agree that the sedan front qtr view is it's worst angle (front dead-on isn't that bad, IMO).
I am guessing the exhaust is fake. If they fake it on the M cars, why wouldn't they fake it here?
I agree that the sedan front qtr view is it's worst angle (front dead-on isn't that bad, IMO).
lol...I think the opposite.
I am guessing the exhaust is fake. If they fake it on the M cars, why wouldn't they fake it here?
I thought it wasn't fake on the M3... just the Dinan replacement. :dunno:
zcasavant
02-07-2006, 01:35 PM
I am guessing the exhaust is fake. If they fake it on the M cars, why wouldn't they fake it here?
If I recall correctly (which is doubtful), they only faked it on the e46 M3.
If I recall correctly (which is doubtful), they only faked it on the e46 M3.
That makes it better how? I thought the M Roadster faked it too. The MINI Cooper S fakes it as well iirc - and manages to interfere with any hope of bringing a spare tire along. Just like the M cars.
But GM has faked it for years. It turns out that mingling exhaust gasses is apparently a good thing, too. The V has an almost true dual exuast, but there is a chamber that combines the flow from both pipes. Something about smooting out back pressure . . .
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02-07-2006, 01:41 PM
air escapes all 4 of the M3's pipes.
zcasavant
02-07-2006, 01:42 PM
That makes it better how? I thought the M Roadster faked it too. The MINI Cooper S fakes it as well iirc - and manages to interfere with any hope of bringing a spare tire along. Just like the M cars.
But GM has faked it for years. It turns out that mingling exhaust gasses is apparently a good thing, too. The V has an almost true dual exuast, but there is a chamber that combines the flow from both pipes. Something about smooting out back pressure . . .
Hmm, I thought the M roadster was real, at least on the s52 ones. My car has dual pipes all the way back to the muffler. It seems logical that the M roadsters would have dual pipes to the split mufflers.
:dunno:
I want a 335i.
IndyMike
02-07-2006, 01:46 PM
Yup. For all those who hadn't made the connection, Gov't Mule = Indy Mike
OH, oh. Exposed. My CIA cover is blown. :willy:
Gotta run, now! : outtaher
:lol:
Actually I was gonna come clean some day (no, really) and make full disclosure if and when I decided I really liked it here.
And I've decided that I do :yes: This is a great site with really knowledgable folks, so until I get banned :eeps:
Prost :drink2: to everyone.
OH, oh. Exposed. My CIA cover is blown. :willy:
Gotta run, now! : outtaher
:lol:
Actually I was gonna come clean some day (no, really) and make full disclosure if and when I decided I really liked it here.
And I've decided that I do :yes: This is a great site with really knowledgable folks, so until I get banned :eeps:
Prost :drink2: to everyone.
Dude, you've been lurking long enough to know we don't just ban people randomly. That's the other place.
And I do think we all realize that we have a good thing going here with the site.
lemming
02-07-2006, 02:05 PM
Hmm, I thought the M roadster was real, at least on the s52 ones. My car has dual pipes all the way back to the muffler. It seems logical that the M roadsters would have dual pipes to the split mufflers.
:dunno:
I want a 335i.
all S52 M roadsters and M coupes were true dual exhaust systems from the headers all the way to the rear pipes --anyone who dyno'd one was amazed because they had noticeably more power than the S52 in the e36m3.
the S54 engine is not a true dual exhaust system. if you put those cars on a rack, you can see clearly that there is one humongous muffler with four little pipes sticking from it that feign twin dual guns.
lip277
02-07-2006, 02:19 PM
...it seems even more bland than the sedan rear.
Really?:dunno: I think this looks better than the sedan.
I think both the coupe here and the sedan rears are kinda bland.
My wife and I were driving to her Mom's house last Saturday afternoon when we were at the light (adjacent lane and just a bit behind) a new 3 series. I asked her what she thought of the new BMW. She looked puzzled for a second then said - "Oh, That's a BMW? Looks like an Escort to me".
Seriously - I'm not making this up. (She compares every car she doesn't like to an Escort - She used to have one in the late 80's....)
:lol:
IndyMike
02-07-2006, 02:41 PM
Dude, you've been lurking long enough to know we don't just ban people randomly. That's the other place.
True now. But I was always reticent because I wasn't sure I wanted to belong to a board that banned someone outright before they had even posted (apologies if incorrect, but at least that was my perception).
But I see that your bosom buds from the 'Fest Alan and Ryan are members, too, so I figured your admission policy had relaxed enough to where I felt I could join without compromising my personal principles.
Now, if you tell me that Ripsnort is also a regular member here I'm gonna insist on a :grouphug: after which I'm going to have to excuse myself so I go somewhere private and have a good :cry: Honk-honk.
:D
True now. But I was always reticent because I wasn't sure I wanted to belong to a board that banned someone outright before they had even posted (apologies if incorrect, but at least that was my perception).
But I see that your bosom buds from the 'Fest Alan and Ryan are members, too, so I figured your admission policy had relaxed enough to where I felt I could join without compromising my personal principles.
Now, if you tell me that Ripsnort is also a regular member here I'm gonna insist on a :grouphug: after which I'm going to have to excuse myself so I go somewhere private and have a good :cry: Honk-honk.
:D
We're not *that* forgiving. There are a few folks (very, very few) that will never be members here. But that shouldn't really come as a surprise to anyone. And we're certainly not trying to stir any pots in this area either.
It's no secret that this place started out as sort of an antidote to the Fest. But it became a great community of somewhat like-minded car nuts. The quality of contributors/contributions here are amazing.
IndyMike
02-07-2006, 03:20 PM
The quality of contributors/contributions here are amazing.
Amen!
:thumbup:
Amen!
:thumbup:
Just keep out of reach of rumatt's sausage grip. :eeps:
wdc330i
02-07-2006, 03:48 PM
Yup. For all those who hadn't made the connection, Gov't Mule = Indy Mike
The reference to the steel grey/tannin 3 Series gave it away!
Just keep out of reach of rumatt's sausage grip. :eeps:
I am partial to clyde's decription of the site as found in the page's meta name- "Carmudgeons is a small community of crotchety car owners and serial car buyers."
I am partial to clyde's decription of the site as found in the page's meta name- "Carmudgeons is a small community of crotchety car owners and serial car buyers."
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
IndyMike
02-07-2006, 03:58 PM
Just keep out of reach of rumatt's sausage grip. :eeps:
Ja, I have to admit when the talk turned to tapered and torqueing nuts in his Shock Tower thread I instinctively crossed my legs very tightly. :shock:
I'm now of the opinion that if he likes the PW switches on the door, then so do I. The man is right!
:D
John V
02-07-2006, 04:42 PM
all S52 M roadsters and M coupes were true dual exhaust systems from the headers all the way to the rear pipes --anyone who dyno'd one was amazed because they had noticeably more power than the S52 in the e36m3.
the S54 engine is not a true dual exhaust system. if you put those cars on a rack, you can see clearly that there is one humongous muffler with four little pipes sticking from it that feign twin dual guns.
The '96-'99 E36 M3 went six into two to the muffler which was dual-in, dual-out. The '95 E36 M3 went six into two into one through the single cat, back to two out to the dual inlet, dual-outlet muffler.
the S54 engine is not a true dual exhaust system. if you put those cars on a rack, you can see clearly that there is one humongous muffler with four little pipes sticking from it that feign twin dual guns.
The muffler is fed via 2 pipes.
The reference to the steel grey/tannin 3 Series gave it away!
YUP!!! Thats what got me and why I called it out in the first place. Brings back memories of my old 330.
wdc330i
02-07-2006, 06:29 PM
YUP!!! Thats what got me and why I called it out in the first place. Brings back memories of my old 330.
Tannin was a great color! Especially nice with the steel grey.
zcasavant
02-07-2006, 09:14 PM
Hmm, I thought the M roadster was real, at least on the s52 ones. My car has dual pipes all the way back to the muffler. It seems logical that the M roadsters would have dual pipes to the split mufflers.
:dunno:
I want a 335i.
In this spy photo, you can see what look like 2 mufflers. It's probably a true dual setup.
http://www.roadfly.com/magazine/18/bmw_m3_photos/bmw_m3_1024_images/BMW_M3_E90_spy_photo.1024.4.jpg
lemming
02-07-2006, 09:28 PM
The muffler is fed via 2 pipes.
we're into semantics again, but:
what precisely does twin dual exhaust mean to you?
to me, it means the setup that was on the M coupe/roadster where the headers feed into their own exhaust piping all the way to separate mufflers. it's not clear to me that two exhaust pipes feeding into a single muffler is all that performance oriented.
we're into semantics again, but:
what precisely does twin dual exhaust mean to you?
to me, it means the setup that was on the M coupe/roadster where the headers feed into their own exhaust piping all the way to separate mufflers. it's not clear to me that two exhaust pipes feeding into a single muffler is all that performance oriented.
It looks good. :lol:
;)
lemming
02-07-2006, 09:37 PM
the spypicture that Z posted has two separate mufflers. that means seriously good stuff for the 335. if it is a non-turbo motor, at least it has good free flowing exhaust plumbing.
...it's not clear to me that two exhaust pipes feeding into a single muffler is all that performance oriented.
I've driven the m3 with no muffler and can't say that I noticed a perfomance difference at all over the "restrictive" 2 to 1 muffler. :dunno:
zcasavant
02-07-2006, 09:54 PM
I've driven the m3 with no muffler and can't say that I noticed a perfomance difference at all over the "restrictive" 2 to 1 muffler. :dunno:
I seriously doubt the muffler on the e46 M3 is a performance hindrance. However, it's a fucking stupid design.
BahnBaum
02-07-2006, 09:56 PM
I've driven the m3 with no muffler and can't say that I noticed a perfomance difference at all over the "restrictive" 2 to 1 muffler. :dunno:
I'd figure the engineers found the optimal amount of backpressure for the stock engine configuration. (You know it wasn't exhaust note that they were designing around...)
Alex
I've driven the m3 with no muffler
That must've sounded great. :ack:
it's a fucking stupid design.
:yes:
That must've sounded great. :ack:
LOUD
I seriously doubt the muffler on the e46 M3 is a performance hindrance. However, it's a fucking stupid design.
You know what else is a stupid design? Giant "ROADFLY" tag over a clear copyright that says "Copyright Hans G. Lehman."
Think Charlie R bought the rights to that pic?
zcasavant
02-07-2006, 11:27 PM
You know what else is a stupid design? Giant "ROADFLY" tag over a clear copyright that says "Copyright Hans G. Lehman."
Think Charlie R bought the rights to that pic?
No, but it was all I could find.
lemming
02-08-2006, 12:10 AM
i'm simply questioning what is more important to M these days, keeping the styling elements of "power dome" hoods, side gills and twin dual exhausts --or: things that are functional and work re: e46m3. ;)
i don't really care what's on the standard cars, but i like to think what is on the M cars is more functional than for show.
but i do need to have some of those more obscure styling elements explained better. :cool:
You know what else is a stupid design? Giant "ROADFLY" tag over a clear copyright that says "Copyright Hans G. Lehman."
Think Charlie R bought the rights to that pic?
But we all know Charlie R isn't the brightest bulb.
I'm half tempted to dig up contact info for Lehman/Hidden Image and email them the URL of the page that pic is posted on.
But we all know Charlie R isn't the brightest bulb.
I'm half tempted to dig up contact info for Lehman/Hidden Image and email them the URL of the page that pic is posted on.
I think Charlie deserves at least that.
I think Charlie deserves at least that.
Yeah. But Googling Lehman and/or Hidden Image has only gotten me more spy photos - not contact info.
Charlie R definitely deserves it.
I doubt I'd actually follow through, though. I was looking to see if I could find it.
John V
02-08-2006, 09:17 AM
the spypicture that Z posted has two separate mufflers. that means seriously good stuff for the 335. if it is a non-turbo motor, at least it has good free flowing exhaust plumbing.
Because it has two mufflers it has good, free flowing exhaust plumbing? I'm not sure you can make that distinction.
The dual-in / dual-out mufflers on the E36 and E46 cars don't flow any worse than a "true dual" system, and they're lighter. :)
Yeah. But Googling Lehman and/or Hidden Image has only gotten me more spy photos - not contact info.
That's all I could find as well.
clyde
02-08-2006, 09:53 AM
In this spy photo, you can see what look like 2 mufflers. It's probably a true dual setup.
It may be, but one pipe into two cans isn't exactly unheard of either...
BahnBaum
02-08-2006, 09:54 AM
Could one of you two please change your avatar? I keep thinking JV is FF or FF is JV or JV is Clyde or Clyde is FF. :toetap:
Alex
clyde
02-08-2006, 09:56 AM
I keep thinking...JV is Clyde or Clyde is FF. :toetap:
You ain't my friend no more. I ain't buying you lunch.
Could one of you two please change your avatar? I keep thinking JV is FF or FF is JV or JV is Clyde or Clyde is FF. :toetap:
Alex
I'm the one with the pointed nose. :D
John V
02-08-2006, 10:27 AM
I'm the one with the gold toof.
$$HOLLA$$
BahnBaum
02-08-2006, 10:30 AM
I'm the one with the gold toof.
$$HOLLA$$
:lol:
Alex
lemming
02-08-2006, 10:36 AM
It may be, but one pipe into two cans isn't exactly unheard of either...
yeah. that's a GM specialty (and now a Honda one, too, on the new v6 accord).
and, while it's still semantics, i wouldn't call that a true dual exhaust setup. but whoa! critique the system on the M3, because it's closer to home, and it's blasphemy.
it is what it is. i'm sure, as per usual, BMW had a reason for doing it, but it's technically not a true twin dual exhaust setup as it is on, for example, the S52 e36/8 and e36/7 vehicles.
whoopee. we're arguing semantics again. :)
BahnBaum
02-08-2006, 10:39 AM
Are we sure that the can of the e46 M3 doesn't have separate chambers? I have no idea, just wondering.
Alex
John V
02-08-2006, 10:45 AM
critique the system on the M3, because it's closer to home, and it's blasphemy.
It's not blasphemy.
I was just questioning your lust for true-dual systems. You seem to think they're as important as 'Ring times when judging a car's performance. :D
clyde
02-08-2006, 12:29 PM
I was just questioning your lust for true-dual systems. You seem to think they're as important as 'Ring times when judging a car's performance. :D
They are just as important as ring times when judging a car's performance. ;)
critique the system on the M3, because it's closer to home, and it's blasphemy.
I merely brought it up as an FYI in case you didn't realize. I've been giving some consideration to going with just 1 pipe and 1 muffler :eek:
I started thinking true dual exhaust was COOL when I was about 12 and I will hold onto that conception until my dying day, thank you very much.
No question in my mind that the two pipes out of one muffler of the e36 and the ridiculous huge ass can to fake dual exhaust on the e46 is marketing design. The two pipes out of one can could have been one bigger pipe that used less material to get the same back pressure, I am sure. The e46 - well, just look at it. I wouldn't be surprised if that 335i pic is actually one huge muffler used as an excuse not to offer a spare tire as well. Sure, it looks like two, sort of, but they are HUGE and it could be one piece tucked back in the shadows. We will see soon enough.
Having bitched about that, I will say the lack of back pressure that BMW puts in the exhaust systems is cool.
IndyMike
02-08-2006, 03:20 PM
YUP!!! Thats what got me and why I called it out in the first place. Brings back memories of my old 330.
Tannin was a great color! Especially nice with the steel grey.
Hey, guys! Sorry I missed your posts from yesterday. I must admit I do miss it from time to time. Pictures like the attached always bring back good memories though.
Gnatty brown is nice, but it’s no Tanin.
Hopefully NA resurrects it one day.
Hey, guys! Sorry I missed your posts from yesterday. I must admit I do miss it from time to time. Pictures like the attached always bring back good memories though.
Gnatty brown is nice, but it’s no Tanin.
Hopefully NA resurrects it one day.
I forget how good looking your former E46 vert was.
I liked Tanin Red, but I don't think I'd be up for it again. I've had 5 BMWs with red leather and currently still own one of them.
BahnBaum
02-08-2006, 03:37 PM
I forget how good looking your former E46 vert was.
I liked Tanin Red, but I don't think I'd be up for it again. I've had 5 BMWs with red leather and currently still own one of them.
Dibs on the old one if you ever tire of it.
Alex
lemming
02-08-2006, 03:44 PM
It's not blasphemy.
I was just questioning your lust for true-dual systems. You seem to think they're as important as 'Ring times when judging a car's performance. :D
i couldn't really care any less than i do --it's just my perception that BMW goes to great lengths for these stylistic things and that does not correlate strongly anymore (stylistic bits) with function. and to me, if that is true, that is (1) poseur "nur optik" stuff and (2) form over function in even the M cars.
it would have been fine with me if they did the exhaust just like they did on the E36m3. i had no problem with that system --the true twin duals of the M coupe was infinitely "cooler", but i wouldn't think there would be a performance difference a priori. fact is, there was and is, though.
Dibs on the old one if you ever tire of it.
Alex
You're interested in one now? Where were you two summers ago?
zcasavant
02-08-2006, 03:57 PM
i couldn't really care any less than i do --it's just my perception that BMW goes to great lengths for these stylistic things and that does not correlate strongly anymore (stylistic bits) with function. and to me, if that is true, that is (1) poseur "nur optik" stuff and (2) form over function in even the M cars.
it would have been fine with me if they did the exhaust just like they did on the E36m3. i had no problem with that system --the true twin duals of the M coupe was infinitely "cooler", but i wouldn't think there would be a performance difference a priori. fact is, there was and is, though.
Are we sure that HP increases in the coupes and roadsters were not related to rumors of the 99+ s52s being slightly stronger?
Dibs on the old one if you ever tire of it.
Alex
Amazingly I have a gentleman patiently waiting for me to eventually sell it. If he happens to find one prior to that he still wants mine. Fine by me, the values just continue to increase. :D
IndyMike
02-08-2006, 04:14 PM
I forget how good looking your former E46 vert was.
I liked Tanin Red, but I don't think I'd be up for it again. I've had 5 BMWs with red leather and currently still own one of them.
Five! Man, I didn't realize that Sean. What a glutton! ;)
j/k of course. They're looking good!
Under that circumstance I can understand being a bit burned out on it.
Were they all either Cardinal or Tanin, or was there some other red interior produced that I'm not aware of?
John V
02-08-2006, 04:43 PM
Are we sure that HP increases in the coupes and roadsters were not related to rumors of the 99+ s52s being slightly stronger?
I think that's more likely - especially based on the mediocre gains that are seen in the '96-'99 S52 powered M3 cars when changing cat-back systems (even in conjunction with tuning). It's not the duals doing it. :dunno:
Were they all either Cardinal or Tanin.
Correct...
BTW, the E46 has been gone for 19 months. :banana:
lemming
02-09-2006, 10:31 AM
I think that's more likely - especially based on the mediocre gains that are seen in the '96-'99 S52 powered M3 cars when changing cat-back systems (even in conjunction with tuning). It's not the duals doing it. :dunno:
my tuner in st.louis is convinced that the S52 with the more open exhausts that are found in the e36/7 and e36/8 have more power to the rear wheels. (i honestly did not make this all up). personally, i don't even remember my baseline dyno data. i only remember the "after" and that was ~302hp to the rear wheels post-supercharging. not really sure if his shop ever got an m3 of similar vintage to post that kind of power. i doubt it. i would have heard about it by now.
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