Official Cayman pictures are out...

[FC]

And I want one.

I'll post some soon. But they are out. I'm sure you guys can find them.

Rennteam has 'em.

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=cayman&Number=103270&page =0&fpart=1

Edit: Upon further review, I'm not so sure about the side view. The front fog-lights look goofy. Nothing a dark paint color can't hide. The did a fine job on the rear though. I don't care for those wheels.

Here they are (from Rennteam):

<img src=http://forums.carmudgeons.com/album_pic.php?pic_id=707>

<img src=http://forums.carmudgeons.com/album_pic.php?pic_id=706>

<img src=http://forums.carmudgeons.com/album_pic.php?pic_id=705>

<img src=http://forums.carmudgeons.com/album_pic.php?pic_id=704>

<img src=http://forums.carmudgeons.com/album_pic.php?pic_id=703>

[SARAFIL]

And I want one.

I'll post some soon. But they are out. I'm sure you guys can find them.

Rennteam has 'em.

>

I love the concept of such a car, but I really don't feel the actual design of this particular car. It just looks really goofy in the rear and from the side.

[lemming]

wow.

that's such a neat car.

it's cool that they're building it.

[rumatt]

Today's autox was a Porsche club events.

I was truly surprised that being there with dozens of porsches didn't make me want one at all. It actually confirmed my lack of interest somehow. :dunno:

[Plaz]

OMG.

Want.

[TD]

Today's autox was a Porsche club events.

I was truly surprised that being there with dozens of porsches didn't make me want one at all. It actually confirmed my lack of interest somehow. :dunno:

Ironically, Porsches are now one of the only makes that still inspires lust in me. I really want one.

How unattainably expensive will this one be?

[lemming]

well, any thoughts i might have had about elise ownership in the future just went out the door.

(sorry, aty).

this is the car i've been clamoring for since i thought about 996 ownership. let's face it, rear engined cars are incredibly stupid. they make it work dynamically, but it's heritage. what i had really wanted all along was a mid-engined porsche hardtop because i hate convertibles.

[rumatt]

let's face it, rear engined cars are incredibly stupid.

Ironically, I was walking around looking at the 911's, and seeing how the engine was crammed back there.. I was thinking geeze, what a retarded idea. First it's absolutely impossible to work on. Second, why not remove the (useless) back seats and push the engine more forward for better weight balance.

Then the fact that my silly little E30 was beating most of them made me :kekeke:

[FC]

How unattainably expensive will this one be?

Well, rumors had it at 58-62K. Base price in Europe is 50K Euros.

I just want a good-looking, mid-engine sports car under 3,000lbs with a 10/1 or better lbs/hp ratio, great handling and brakes, and decent low-end torque.

Well, the Cayman is the only player.

BUT, if it costs 10K more than a Boxster S and only has marginally better performance, I'll take the drop top. My wife prefers the Boxster, but seems to like the Cayman too.

Fortunately, I have years to worry about this decision if I ever am lucky enough to seriously consider it. :)

[lemming]

let's face it, rear engined cars are incredibly stupid.

Ironically, I was walking around looking at the 911's, and seeing how the engine was crammed back there.. I was thinking geeze, what a retarded idea. First it's absolutely impossible to work on. Second, why not remove the (useless) back seats and push the engine more forward for better weight balance.

Then the fact that my silly little E30 was beating most of them made me :kekeke:

for a lot of my engine stuff on the 993, the engine did have to come out.

(sigh).

it made for some seriously expensive labor costs.

but yeah. while the rear engine placement lets you get on the gas earlier, it's still really awful for handling.

[blee]

Are you kidding me? That thing looks like a pregnant 911. No, thank you.

[lemming]

it is what the audi TT should have looked like, in my opinion.

i like it.

[blee]

I fear for what the 2+2 will look like, after seeing this thing. :( The 911 is dead sexy, but this....this, I don't know.

[SCA]

Sorry....I do not care for it. :thumbdow: The only current Porsche I like is th 997 (911).

[FC]

On Porsche USA:

http://www3.us.porsche.com/usa/

Price: $58,900

Cd: 0.29
Top Speed: 171mph
HP: 295@6250
Torque 250@4400-6000
0-60:5.1 secs

EDIT: It's growing on me already. A nice Midnight Blue Metallic is the ticket, IMO. $5800 more than a Boxster S is not bad in Porsche-world.

[JST]

On Porsche USA:

http://www3.us.porsche.com/usa/

Price: $58,900

Cd: 0.29
Top Speed: 171mph
HP: 295@6250
Torque 250@4400-6000
0-60:5.1 secs

EDIT: It's growing on me already. A nice Midnight Blue Metallic is the ticket, IMO. $5800 more than a Boxster S is not bad in Porsche-world.

I don't know why this car appeals to me in a way that the Boxster never has.

But it appeals to me quite a bit.

Quite an awful lot, actually.

[Plaz]

On Porsche USA:

http://www3.us.porsche.com/usa/

Price: $58,900

Cd: 0.29
Top Speed: 171mph
HP: 295@6250
Torque 250@4400-6000
0-60:5.1 secs

EDIT: It's growing on me already. A nice Midnight Blue Metallic is the ticket, IMO. $5800 more than a Boxster S is not bad in Porsche-world.

I don't know why this car appeals to me in a way that the Boxster never has.

But it appeals to me quite a bit.

Quite an awful lot, actually.

What he said.

Probably just because I have no desire for a convertible.

[lemming]

i'm actually surprised; given that the car is supposed to be equipped with the 996 3.4 litre motor, i thought it would smash through the 5 second barrier.

i guess it's academic because this car already kills the 997 on the nordschleife.

:)

it's what you get when you make a car with physical packaging that makes sense.

[Nick M3]

i'm actually surprised; given that the car is supposed to be equipped with the 996 3.4 litre motor, i thought it would smash through the 5 second barrier.

i guess it's academic because this car already kills the 997 on the nordschleife.

:)

it's what you get when you make a car with physical packaging that makes sense.

Wouldn't shock me if they just didn't want to rate it int he 4s zone...

[JST]

i'm actually surprised; given that the car is supposed to be equipped with the 996 3.4 litre motor, i thought it would smash through the 5 second barrier.

i guess it's academic because this car already kills the 997 on the nordschleife.

:)

it's what you get when you make a car with physical packaging that makes sense.

Wouldn't shock me if they just didn't want to rate it int he 4s zone...

Isn't Porsche generally pretty conservative with 0-60 times?

0-60 is also heavily dependant on gearing, and it wouldn't stun me if they were basing their 0-60 numbers solely on 1-100 kph measurements at this point.

Whatever. This is going to be a fast car. It's just too bad that there won't be any way to look at the engine without a mirror or a hydraulic lift.

[clyde]

It's just too bad that there won't be any way to look at the engine without a mirror or a hydraulic lift.

I think taht you'll be able to live with that when you buy one.

[lemming]

i'm actually surprised; given that the car is supposed to be equipped with the 996 3.4 litre motor, i thought it would smash through the 5 second barrier.

i guess it's academic because this car already kills the 997 on the nordschleife.

:)

it's what you get when you make a car with physical packaging that makes sense.

Wouldn't shock me if they just didn't want to rate it int he 4s zone...

Isn't Porsche generally pretty conservative with 0-60 times?

0-60 is also heavily dependant on gearing, and it wouldn't stun me if they were basing their 0-60 numbers solely on 1-100 kph measurements at this point.

Whatever. This is going to be a fast car. It's just too bad that there won't be any way to look at the engine without a mirror or a hydraulic lift.

some styling elements of the car look a tad effete to me, but i still very much love the concept. i don't like convertibles but prefer the way the boxster handles to the 911. finally!

(in other news, did you guys know there will be solstice hardtop variants just for SCCA racing?).

the cayman S has to be fast. somewhere i was reading that it is an 8 minute car. that is fast. people drool over the M6 and the M3 CSL, but the cayman in S trim is at the same track aptitude level. for only $60k? that's a joke, especially compared to how the 997 is priced these days.

[Jason C]

And I want one.

I'll post some soon. But they are out. I'm sure you guys can find them.

Rennteam has 'em.

>

I love the concept of such a car, but I really don't feel the actual design of this particular car. It just looks really goofy in the rear and from the side.

What he said.

I'm just not feeling the styling. I'm sure it'll kick ass from a dynamics standpoint, though.

[FC]

Car and Driver routinely shaves 0.5 seconds of Porsche published times. This car has 14ft-lb more torque than a Boxster S at 400rpm lower in the rev range. Assuming it is lighter than the Boxster S by at least a good 100lbs, it should really kick ass.

It also has lots of cargo space for a sportscar.

[rumatt]

I actually like the looks.

I like the idea of the car in general, actually.

Hmmmmm.

[ARCHER]

Aside from the front fogs, I think it is gorgeous.

[lip277]

I like it. I actually like it quite a bit. (At least based on pictures)

But then again, what do I know. I even like Mercedes Diesels.... The slow kind. :flipoff:

[FC]

Bad news: Automobile magazine reports it will weigh as much as a Boxster S, or "just under 3,000lbs."

http://automobilemag.com/news/0507_porsche_cayman_s/

:rolleyes: Bad move. Sure, it will still outperform the 987S because of the better engine, higher stiffness and lower drag, but without the weight savings, it loses some appeal.

Positives from the article are the tidbit about it having more cargo space than my 330i, and the teaser of making higher-performing versions if it sells well. As predicted, they will eventually offer a lower-priced, lower-powered base Cayman. Rumors are of a 2.7L 260hp engine for that one.

It will probably boil down to whether you want a coupe or convertible. Given that I live in New England, and would drive the car often, I'd probably end up getting a coupe.

[FC]

Autocar reporting the Cayman S is 5Kg HEAVIER than a Boxster S. :rolleyes:

Lapped the Nordschleife at 8:11. Seven seconds faster than a Boxster S and 4 seconds faster than a base 997.

Since I am 4 years away, maybe by then they will offer a lightweight version with 325hp.

[FC]

Best Cayman article yet. Lots of good info.

http://www.autoweek.com/printwindow.cms?newsId=102455&amp;pageType=news

[lemming]

there will likely be a cayman GT3 version. i'd just wait for that.

[FC]

there will likely be a cayman GT3 version. i'd just wait for that.

I'm not in the market until 2009, so I have time to let it all get sorted out. I'll ask for one as my 30th B-day present/5th wedding anniversary gift. :)

[FC]

New pictures. At least I had not seen them. It looks good.

http://www.kronos-porsche.be/FR/new_modeles/cayman/cayman_photos.htm

[lemming]

For all of you who thinks that a flat 6 in this configuration is fine without a dry sump, please go do a search on rennlist and pelican parts on "oil starvation" and "dry sump."

If you intend on using a non dry sump P car at autox or track event, and the car starts to have the blue smoke problem, Porsche USA will not honor your warranty, because it has been in competition. Instances can also be found on rennlist and pelican parts. It's not an issue for the M64 cars because they don't have this problem.

A flat 6 wants dry sump, especially one that will be shodded with R tires.

interesting. is this still an issue even with the modified "semi-dry" baffles in the oil pan 997s and 987s? i thought Porsche did some serious research into this (they spent money doing research rather than spending it to put dry sump engines in their "sports cars") so they came close?