View Full Version : Legacy or Outback?
Jason C
05-08-2005, 02:08 PM
Parents have asked for suggestions regarding wagons. They're looking for something midsized or up, luxury but not quite up to E-Class pricing territory, safe, reliable, slushie, etc etc. But Dad wants some measure of fun-to-drive. I can only conclude with the Subarus. I thought about Audi, Saab, and Volvo, but I mentally nixed them because of questionable and conflicting reliability data, high cost of ownership, or both.
So I guess my real question is, 2.5 Legacy or 3.0 Outback? They want something that can haul shit like luggage (obviously) and they can spend all the way up to Audi S4/S6 range, so pricing between these two Subies isn't a concern. Am I missing something here? What makes one decidedly different from the other?
EDIT: No, Dad won't consider the Magnum. So, no SRT-8 suggestions. :P
lemming
05-08-2005, 03:25 PM
the 2.5i legacy is obnoxiously slow. i wouldn't bother. the outback is nicer in the sense that it can be had with VDC (that matters to some people) but you can still get a 2.5GT wagon with an automatic.
the turbo motor is decidedly faster than the 3.0 but there is lag when you use the auto transmission.
the one thing that is worth waiting to see is that the 2006 models are reported to be equipped with navi-DVD systems and that would be well worth it to get the OEM system.
Jason C
05-08-2005, 03:27 PM
the 2.5i legacy is obnoxiously slow. i wouldn't bother. the outback is nicer in the sense that it can be had with VDC (that matters to some people) but you can still get a 2.5GT wagon with an automatic.
the turbo motor is decidedly faster than the 3.0 but there is lag when you use the auto transmission.
the one thing that is worth waiting to see is that the 2006 models are reported to be equipped with navi-DVD systems and that would be well worth it to get the OEM system.
Oh, I meant both 250hp models against each other.
And yes, Navi would be a factor. They want to buy this August. Do you think the 2006 with possible Navi will be avaliable then?
(I thought shushies were better matches with turbo engines - because there is no throttle lift on upshifts :dunno:)
ADDED: Looked at some further info on both models, I'm leaning towards hawking the Legacy 2.5GT Wagon with auto.
lemming
05-08-2005, 04:14 PM
well, the one thing is that the added ride height makes the outback more forgiving over rough roads (taller sidewall tires, too).
it's just as quick in turbo form --it's fine in 3.0 form.
the day of the subarus that couldn't get out of their own way is just about done.
Well you know, we've pretty much settled on the 3.0 Outback. The engine is smooth and definitely powerful enough for this wagon to move around quickly with no lag and good low-end torque. It also doesn't mind reving high, something my parents' Volvo XC70 hates to do.
I happen to like the outback trim because of the ground clearance, taller sidewalls, and more compliant suspension given the shitty roads here and in Canada. OEM tires are shit, but I'll likely get Michelin Pilot Sport A/S asap.
What makes going to the 3.0 a no-brainer if you want a slushie, is that it costs basically the same as a turbo Outback limited.
Jason C
05-08-2005, 05:41 PM
Well you know, we've pretty much settled on the 3.0 Outback. The engine is smooth and definitely powerful enough for this wagon to move around quickly with no lag and good low-end torque. It also doesn't mind reving high, something my parents' Volvo XC70 hates to do.
I happen to like the outback trim because of the ground clearance, taller sidewalls, and more compliant suspension given the shitty roads here and in Canada. OEM tires are shit, but I'll likely get Michelin Pilot Sport A/S asap.
What makes going to the 3.0 a no-brainer if you want a slushie, is that it costs basically the same as a turbo Outback limited.
LL Bean or that other VCD thing?
Two-tone or not?
Well you know, we've pretty much settled on the 3.0 Outback. The engine is smooth and definitely powerful enough for this wagon to move around quickly with no lag and good low-end torque. It also doesn't mind reving high, something my parents' Volvo XC70 hates to do.
I happen to like the outback trim because of the ground clearance, taller sidewalls, and more compliant suspension given the shitty roads here and in Canada. OEM tires are shit, but I'll likely get Michelin Pilot Sport A/S asap.
What makes going to the 3.0 a no-brainer if you want a slushie, is that it costs basically the same as a turbo Outback limited.
LL Bean or that other VCD thing?
Two-tone or not?
LL Bean has the two-tone. The VDC is the better car because of its suposedly amazing atrction control system (and better stereo), but it does cost another 2K or so over the LL Bean. That has a one-tone interior and no LL Bean badges.
I'd like the VDC if I can get a good deal on it. I'm looking for one in the October-November time frame. Probably too late for new, discounted '05's. But a slightly used '05 would work for us too.
lemming
05-08-2005, 06:21 PM
no worries about getting a deal on a VDC, man. just message me and i'll try to set you up as best i can.
:-D
Jason C
05-08-2005, 06:29 PM
no worries about getting a deal on a VDC, man. just message me and i'll try to set you up as best i can.
:-D
And will this apply to 2006 models? :eeps:
lemming
05-08-2005, 07:15 PM
no worries about getting a deal on a VDC, man. just message me and i'll try to set you up as best i can.
:-D
And will this apply to 2006 models? :eeps:
yeah, pretty much.
i'm probably going to get another subaru in the next year or so --am waiting to see if they drop the 2.5 litre turbo into the impreza WRX or if they integrate NAV into the 06 or 07 legacy models.
the legacy GT is still my benchmark for commuting up here in all weather conditions (driving the G35 6spd and e90 330 6spd are worthwhile but they still need to deliver on the "all season" part).
lemming
05-08-2005, 09:18 PM
this is what is coming stateside, also.
note that in the interior shot of the 3.0R spec B car the nice LCD screen.
http://www.subaru-global.com/lineup/legacy/legacy_specB/
it's an intriguing car. i hope they also see fit to port that STi 6speed over to the 2.5GT vehicle.
lemming
05-08-2005, 10:40 PM
if your parents are really into wagons, what about this?
http://www.saab.com/main/GLOBAL/en/model/93_WAGON/index_flash.shtml
Jason C
05-09-2005, 04:13 AM
if your parents are really into wagons, what about this?
http://www.saab.com/main/GLOBAL/en/model/93_WAGON/index_flash.shtml
Space. Last time I checked, Legacy GT/Outback 3.0 > any Saab 9-3 in interior space. That's also why they're not considering A4s, IS300s, Saabaru WRXs, etc. Looking for bare minimum midsized, preferably close to large.
Jason C
05-09-2005, 04:33 AM
this is what is coming stateside, also.
note that in the interior shot of the 3.0R spec B car the nice LCD screen.
http://www.subaru-global.com/lineup/legacy/legacy_specB/
it's an intriguing car. i hope they also see fit to port that STi 6speed over to the 2.5GT vehicle.
Huh. That is very interesting. A slushie 3.0 Legacy wagon with navi would be an almost sure pick. But only if it comes with a slushie avaliable. Mom's not exactly going to play racer here, ya know.
lemming
05-09-2005, 07:19 AM
this is what is coming stateside, also.
note that in the interior shot of the 3.0R spec B car the nice LCD screen.
http://www.subaru-global.com/lineup/legacy/legacy_specB/
it's an intriguing car. i hope they also see fit to port that STi 6speed over to the 2.5GT vehicle.
Huh. That is very interesting. A slushie 3.0 Legacy wagon with navi would be an almost sure pick. But only if it comes with a slushie avaliable. Mom's not exactly going to play racer here, ya know.
the 3.0R would have several notable characteristics that are superior to the turbo engine for many people. fuel economy would be one of them, zero lag would be second and three would be reliability. that much heat under the hood, even in cars designed for that level of heat soak is still a big burden for the componentry under the hood.
The only thing I don't like about the 3.0's is that in the US, they are only available in tan leather interiors.
I'd actually love to have black MB-Tex (vinyl) inside. Oh, and the GT seats are sweet too.
I'll definitely give you a heads up lemming. Thanks for the offer. :thumbup:
Jason C
05-09-2005, 09:02 AM
The only thing I don't like about the 3.0's is that in the US, they are only available in tan leather interiors.
I'd actually love to have black MB-Tex (vinyl) inside. Oh, and the GT seats are sweet too.
I'll definitely give you a heads up lemming. Thanks for the offer. :thumbup:
Yup, me too. :thumbup:
And I actually like the tan, I think it looks good with the red exterior.
Is that Navi/3.0 coming this fall? I keep thinking that it would be so perfect if it were.
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