the new C6 corvette sucks.

[lemming]

i'm horribly disappointed.

first, let me admit that i am unsure of how much separation there is between a base c5 and the z06 "package" ==>probably significant.

but the c6 with the Z51 package sucks out loud. i can only hope that the handling package that comes with the c6 z06 is okay.

i am unsure now of how "good" the 997 S package is if it can be edged out by the c6 z51 in any comparison. what i drove flat out sucked and the 997 base or 997 S should handily be able to outdo the c6 z51 in competent hands.

[zach]

i'm horribly disappointed.

first, let me admit that i am unsure of how much separation there is between a base c5 and the z06 "package" ==>probably significant.

but the c6 with the Z51 package sucks out loud. i can only hope that the handling package that comes with the c6 z06 is okay.

i am unsure now of how "good" the 997 S package is if it can be edged out by the c6 z51 in any comparison. what i drove flat out sucked and the 997 base or 997 S should handily be able to outdo the c6 z51 in competent hands.

First of all, I can't believe you used the phrase "sucks out loud". That is my phrase.

Secondly, after seeing a 997 S on the road the other day, I'm sold. I want one.

[Jason C]

what i drove flat out sucked

Please provide further details. :eeps:

[lemming]

what i drove flat out sucked

Please provide further details. :eeps:

well. let's see.

PRO's:
the seats are superior and hold you in place.

the clutch takeup is light.

the shifter throw is improved.

CON's:
the engine/throttle response is lousy.

the brakes feel mushy and the brake pedal feel is terrible.

body roll is unacceptable.

understeer rules the day until it breaks loose and then something about the way the rear suspension is tuned or the rear diff. or the springs suck because putting the power down unwinding from an apex the car is so much looser than the c5 z06.

steering is more buick than sports car.

they've made it insanely quiet so it sounds more like a lexus than a pushrod v8, even at WOT.

while i was at the school, there were two computer failures and many tire problems.

this is another thing that i think sucks out loud: the runflat tires on the c6 z51 suck compared to the tires that are OEM on the c5 z06.

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i hope that i didn't miss anything. these things all played out in laptimes where the differential (same driver/different car/same track) ranged from 1.5 seconds to 3 seconds per lap.

[FC]

I was a C6 cheerleader from the beginning (purely because it looked a lot better/compact, and because of its bang/buck ratio), but after the reviews I got the feeling that it is not a tremendous driver's experience.

The Porsches (997 and 987) are both being reviewed as having an incredible driving experience. For some reason I am getting turned off the 911(S). They are clearly Porsche's cash cows. I already get into enough trouble with my 330i, so (not that I get to make that choice, but...) I rather own a Boxster S. Sublime handling, decent power, a drop top (or coupe in a Cayman), amazing brakes, all for low to mid 50K. And a base Boxster can be had for C6 money.

Add the "image" and the fact that my wife doesn't care for it, and the C6 is out of the game. Conversely, my wife is already yearning to do another ED trip and loves the Boxster.

The base 987 was soo much fun to drive, I can only imagine a Boxster S or any Cayman variant would be trully amazing. They all have sufficient low end torque for me, so that is what I am dreaming of next.

[lemming]

i just don't understand how the 997 S is not convincingly better, regardless of price.

[FC]

Add the "image" and the fact that my wife doesn't care for it, and the C6 is out of the game. Conversely, my wife is already yearning to do another ED trip and loves the Boxster.

PAG charges for the "priviledge" of DE. For the Turbo, it's 10K for the priviledge, plus the refundable 17% VAT on the price of the car that you have to front.

If your wife cars about the image, does she know that Boxster with tippy magic tronic slushie is the quintessential housewife's car here?

Oh, and that warning about no R tires because our ill designed cheap engine will be starved of oil during cornering?

ED on a Boxster is ~1K and from what I hear, often waived by the dealer.

The car would be for me, not my wife. And it will have a 6-speed. And not many housewifes have Boxsters here. Actually, not many Boxsters here in general.

This has been beaten to death, but while I agree dry sumps are better, you cannot possibly think that all wet-sump engines suck. And I do know about the RMS issue. That is what the warranty is for.

I can see the point as valid when there are people paying close to 100K for a wet sump 997S vs getting a GT3 if they plan on tracking the car, but at the $50K-level wet sumps are all you are going to get. And as far as oil starvation on wet sump engines go, I'd think that the P-engines would fare better than most other wet-sump engines, all else being equal.

[lemming]

i just don't understand how the 997 S is not convincingly better, regardless of price.

You know if I was the one who posted that the C6 sucks out loud, the defenders of Great Detroit will just dismiss it as my "unfounded bias" against the pillar of American economy and industry. :rolleyes:

With regards to the 997, it should be dismissed because it's nothing more than a more expensive version of Boxster taht PAG tries to pass off to the public as car that has something to do with their cup car that has a real motor in it.

Let's hope that the new M3 won't weight five gazzilion tons that effectively kills whatever speed advantage that its V8 has.

i do not doubt that the c6 z51 is a helluva car in a straightline because the shifter is better and the engine has more torque lower in the power band plus a lighter clutch. so i'm not surprised that some have gotten it in the 4.2-4.4 second range with high 12's for the 1/4 mile. but if that's all that i cared about, then i'd be more than happy with a solid axle rear car like the buick grand national or something.

it was an incredibly sloppy car on the track and they're going to have to revise the way that they tune their z51 package because that car was a big time joke. now i'm curious as to how the select-a-ride magneto-suspension works compared to the z51.

i'm disappointed in the lack of a true dry sump design in the higher-end porsche cars; not surprised about the wet sump or semi-dry sump designs in the entry level and mid-level cars. it jacks up their profit margins in a big way. i think if they try enough engineering with enough different baffles and auxillary pumps, they make be able to make the semi-dry design work all right. BMW has figured it out so maybe Porsche will, also.

i already know the viper sucks, the c6 z51 sucks, so if the new z06 sucks, then i'm headed back to deutsche-land for a sports car, i suppose. i've already decided to keep the c5 no matter what.

[John V]

i'm horribly disappointed.

first, let me admit that i am unsure of how much separation there is between a base c5 and the z06 "package" ==>probably significant.

but the c6 with the Z51 package sucks out loud. i can only hope that the handling package that comes with the c6 z06 is okay.

i am unsure now of how "good" the 997 S package is if it can be edged out by the c6 z51 in any comparison. what i drove flat out sucked and the 997 base or 997 S should handily be able to outdo the c6 z51 in competent hands.

I'm bummed to read this - because I love the exterior and interior of the C6 so much. After seeing one in person, I'm not sure I could still own a C5 Z06. The interior was that much nicer.

The C6 Z51 we saw in Atlanta (ASP) was running 18" wheels front and rear with Hoosiers. Not a whole lot of body roll on this one, and it had been lowered slightly using the factory adjustment. It put down power very well with the R-comps. I think the stock run-flats are a big detriment.

Bummer that the driving experience is less involving. When sales cool down a bit I'll have to find a dealer willing to give a test drive.

JV

[Alan]

I was a C6 cheerleader from the beginning (purely because it looked a lot better/compact, and because of its bang/buck ratio), but after the reviews I got the feeling that it is not a tremendous driver's experience.

The Porsches (997 and 987) are both being reviewed as having an incredible driving experience. For some reason I am getting turned off the 911(S). They are clearly Porsche's cash cows. I already get into enough trouble with my 330i, so (not that I get to make that choice, but...) I rather own a Boxster S. Sublime handling, decent power, a drop top (or coupe in a Cayman), amazing brakes, all for low to mid 50K. And a base Boxster can be had for C6 money.

Add the "image" and the fact that my wife doesn't care for it, and the C6 is out of the game. Conversely, my wife is already yearning to do another ED trip and loves the Boxster.

The base 987 was soo much fun to drive, I can only imagine a Boxster S or any Cayman variant would be trully amazing. They all have sufficient low end torque for me, so that is what I am dreaming of next.

You should really drive the Corvette before making the decision. You might be very surprised by how great it is. The biggest problem with cars like the Corvette and Boxster is no backseat for your children.

One other car you should consider would be the Mercedes SLK though I don't know if you are the type of person to want the stodgy image of a MB

[Rob]

On top of the tires sucking, they will only last around 6k if you drive the car properly. Well, that's what a lot of people get (and about what I expect) from them on the CTS-V. On one hand, I can't wait to change them b/c they suck. On the other hand, 6000 miles from a set of tires that cost $325 each? Give me a break!

[FC]

You should really drive the Corvette before making the decision. You might be very surprised by how great it is. The biggest problem with cars like the Corvette and Boxster is no backseat for your children.

One other car you should consider would be the Mercedes SLK though I don't know if you are the type of person to want the stodgy image of a MB

The car would be my daily driver/weekend fun car. The wagon will take care of kids.

My wife hates the looks of the SLK, and as much as it does seem to have a lot of positives, the driving experience in the P-car is supposed to be far superior. I don't mind the image of an MB and I do like that (vs the BoxsterS) it will be cheaper to own/service, has a hardtop, and the engine is very torquey.

The thing for me is. I get the feeling that the 'vette is the kind of car that gets you the best numbers but not necessarilly the best feeling. I just got a ticket, and I always feel my 330i is borderline in terms of having fun with the car without getting a ticket every day.

400lb-ft/hp seems like a sure bet for driving insurance premiums through the roof.

All that said, I plan to test drive these cars a lot before making a decision. The purchase is a good 4 years out anyway. A lot of things could change by then. We need to get our wagon first.

[Nick M3]

The thing for me is. I get the feeling that the 'vette is the kind of car that gets you the best numbers but not necessarilly the best feeling. I just got a ticket, and I always feel my 330i is borderline in terms of having fun with the car without getting a ticket every day.

400lb-ft/hp seems like a sure bet for driving insurance premiums through the roof.

I hate to say it, but you're the idiot that got "arrest-me red." :twisted: :rolleyes:

Well, no, I guess I don't hate saying it. :twisted:

[lemming]

You should really drive the Corvette before making the decision. You might be very surprised by how great it is. The biggest problem with cars like the Corvette and Boxster is no backseat for your children.

One other car you should consider would be the Mercedes SLK though I don't know if you are the type of person to want the stodgy image of a MB

The car would be my daily driver/weekend fun car. The wagon will take care of kids.

My wife hates the looks of the SLK, and as much as it does seem to have a lot of positives, the driving experience in the P-car is supposed to be far superior. I don't mind the image of an MB and I do like that (vs the BoxsterS) it will be cheaper to own/service, has a hardtop, and the engine is very torquey.

The thing for me is. I get the feeling that the 'vette is the kind of car that gets you the best numbers but not necessarilly the best feeling. I just got a ticket, and I always feel my 330i is borderline in terms of having fun with the car without getting a ticket every day.

400lb-ft/hp seems like a sure bet for driving insurance premiums through the roof.

All that said, I plan to test drive these cars a lot before making a decision. The purchase is a good 4 years out anyway. A lot of things could change by then. We need to get our wagon first.

you'd be surprised at how inexpensive the insurance on a corvette is. and a $1000 or $1500 deductible works wonders, too.

i fully agree about testing the cars. i got lucky with the z06 because it is a terrific car. if it had handled like the c6 z51, i would already be back in a 997 by now. spot on about the c6 and its ability to generate good numbers without a whole heck of a lot of "feel". gawd....it was like driving an e46........(in comparison to an e36).

[FC]

I hate to say it, but you're the idiot that got "arrest-me red." :twisted: :rolleyes:

Well, no, I guess I don't hate saying it. :twisted:

I know. But after giving it a wash... it was worth it. :twisted:
:P
The best part about Imola is that even under the brightest sun in never gives you an orangy hue. It always looks like a deep bright red. :thumbup:

[lemming]

I hate to say it, but you're the idiot that got "arrest-me red." :twisted: :rolleyes:

Well, no, I guess I don't hate saying it. :twisted:

I know. But after giving it a wash... it was worth it. :twisted:
:P
The best part about Imola is that even under the brightest sun in never gives you an orangy hue. It always looks like a deep bright red. :thumbup:

man.....where'd you get your ticket, btw?

good to know so i don't get a ticket there.

[FC]

man.....where'd you get your ticket, btw?

good to know so i don't get a ticket there.

Derby, VT. 8 miles from the Canadian border. I don't think you'll be in those parts anytime soon. ;)