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Apparently it is the season for me to buy batteries. :mad:
x2 for the boat (2 years old) and still have to purchase one for the E90, have it installed, and then have the car reprogrammed (1 hr labor plus whatever install is). :rolleyes: BMW can... :flipoff:
and still have to purchase one for the E90, have it installed, and then have the car reprogrammed (1 hr labor plus whatever install is). :rolleyes: BMW can... (you'll figure it out). :flipoff:
BMW battery replacements require a reprogramming?
BMW battery replacements require a reprogramming?
Yup... apparently it began with the 6 or 7-Series and trickled down to the rest of the line. :thumbdow: Battery adaptation has to be reset or the car will overcharge the new battery and shorten the life span. :thumbdow:
Yup... apparently it began with the 6 or 7-Series and trickled down to the rest of the line. :thumbdow: Battery adaptation has to be reset or the car will overcharge the new battery and shorten the life span. :thumbdow:
That's just retarded. One more reason (like I needed another one) why I will avoid buying another BMW.
That's just retarded. One more reason (like I needed another one) why I will avoid buying another BMW.
+1
zcasavant
06-03-2010, 02:44 PM
That's just retarded. One more reason (like I needed another one) why I will avoid buying another BMW.
I understand what you're getting at, but every car has its drawbacks.
Even with the stupid battery issue, I'd take an e90 over, say, a Lexus IS or Civic Si, as each of those cars has issues that bother me more.
I agree with Zach.
Unless you're going to stop buying new cars altogether (or any used car starting with many current generation models), you'll have to deal with stupid shit like this.
Get used to it. Or complain loudly to the manufacturers. But this isn't a BMW-specific issue.
zcasavant
06-03-2010, 03:00 PM
This isn't a bad discussion. Maybe a mod wants to move it from the "what you bought" thread and make it a thread in car talk?
This isn't a bad discussion. Maybe a mod wants to move it from the "what you bought" thread and make it a thread in car talk?
Call me easy...
zcasavant
06-03-2010, 03:15 PM
Call me easy...
You're easy.
Nick M3
06-03-2010, 03:15 PM
Yup... apparently it began with the 6 or 7-Series and trickled down to the rest of the line. :thumbdow: Battery adaptation has to be reset or the car will overcharge the new battery and shorten the life span. :thumbdow:
Buy a battery with a long warranty, then. :p
I agree with Zach.
Unless you're going to stop buying new cars altogether (or any used car starting with many current generation models), you'll have to deal with stupid shit like this.
Get used to it. Or complain loudly to the manufacturers. But this isn't a BMW-specific issue.
I disagree. I don't have any annoyances like these with the 2007 S2000, or 2008 4Runner. :dunno:
For one point of reference, the S2000 sat in a garage in GA for 4 months this winter with the battery disconnected. Reconnected in late March, fired up and drove off without any issues.
Look at all the crap sitting on top of an E9X battery. BTW, I know some of it is related to the small explosive to blow the positive cable off the terminal.
I disagree. I don't have any annoyances like these with the 2007 S2000, or 2008 4Runner. :dunno:
Same with my '07 4Runner.
zcasavant
06-03-2010, 04:34 PM
I disagree. I don't have any annoyances like these with the 2007 S2000, or 2008 4Runner. :dunno:
For one point of reference, the S2000 sat in a garage in GA for 4 months this winter with the battery disconnected. Reconnected in late March, fired up and drove off without any issues.
Yeah, but those come with annoyances like only holding 2 people or being a heavy SUV. If one is shopping for a RWD sports sedan and BMW isn't an option, the pickings are really fucking slim.
John V
06-03-2010, 04:39 PM
Nothing like this exists on our '09 Mazdaspeed.
When my e90 was rear-ended, and I ended up being stranded in Vt, I had a mechanic hack a connection for that blow-off... At first he didn't believe me, then he couldn't find it, then he refused, finally he gave in. Drove car home 350miles with that temp connection (airbag warning light on, seat belts receivers withdrawn).
I spoke with the Master Tech (also the shop foreman) @ our local Center yesterday when I picked up the new battery. I asked about reprogramming the car. Me, "Is there any truth to this battery adaption?" Tech, "Is the car still under warranty?" Me, "No." Tech, "Don't worry about it , so as long as you purchased the same Ah." Me, "I did."
So, I am R&I the battery this morning even though it is 74 here and muggy as hell at 8am.
BTW, an E90 battery weighs 46 lbs.
Edit: DONE!
kognito
06-04-2010, 11:08 AM
I was thinking about this last night. If the car has remote connected jump/charging posts; couldn't you connect a trickle charger and carefully replace the battery while keeping a 12 volt source to the car??? or is it all about the battery rating??
Terry Kennedy
06-04-2010, 02:17 PM
I was thinking about this last night. If the car has remote connected jump/charging posts; couldn't you connect a trickle charger and carefully replace the battery while keeping a 12 volt source to the car??? or is it all about the battery rating??
The problem (at least on the E46) is that when the car is "awake", it pulls a lot more current than a trickle charger can provide.
Since the battery is in the trunk, you'd need to disconnect the trunk switch sensor and wait 15+ minutes for the car to go back to sleep. [With an automatic, you can tell when this happens because the LED on the gear indicator goes out - I'm not sure if there's an equivalent way to tell w/ a manual.]
operknockity
06-04-2010, 02:29 PM
The problem (at least on the E46) is that when the car is "awake", it pulls a lot more current than a trickle charger can provide.
Since the battery is in the trunk, you'd need to disconnect the trunk switch sensor and wait 15+ minutes for the car to go back to sleep. [With an automatic, you can tell when this happens because the LED on the gear indicator goes out - I'm not sure if there's an equivalent way to tell w/ a manual.]
Hows about when the "security" LED in the radio head unit goes out, if you have the stock Business Radio head unit.
Both the Bently service manual and the BMW TIS call for resetting the computer when the battery is replaced. You can replace the battery and not reset the computer, but the car will not properly charge the new battery.
:dunno:
We'll see in due time.
Our family friend & sales rep was telling me yesterday that one of his customers had to have the battery replaced in her X5. Service charged her $600. :ack: He recently replaced the battery in his wife's X5 with a non-OEM battery with a better warranty for less than $125.00 Did R&I himself.
Hows about when the "security" LED in the radio head unit goes out, if you have the stock Business Radio head unit.
The E90 does not have one.
My battery was so dead that the interior lights did not even come on when the door was opened. The first time I jumped it off a few weeks ago the interior lights still came on and date and time did not have to be reset. Furthermore, this morning I had to hook-up the jump box so it had enough juice just to open the trunk.
That's what happens when you drive 2,000 miles in 5 years.
Our family friend & sales rep was telling me yesterday that one of his customers had to have the battery replaced in her X5. Service charged her $600.
That's just fcking retarded that someone should have to pay $600 for a battery replacement. People shouldn't put up with that.
That's what happens when you drive 2,000 miles in 5 years.
Probably true, but from my research the average life of an E9X battery is 4-4.5 years. At $500-$600 it is easy money for BMW service departments. BTW, I have far more than 2,000 miles. :)
That's just fcking retarded that someone should have to pay $600 for a battery replacement. People shouldn't put up with that.
+1
Costco guarantees their batteries for 72 months or something. Seems like $80 for the battery, self install . . . replace it every two years until the warranty runs out . . . hmm.
Costco guarantees their batteries for 72 months or something. Seems like $80 for the battery, self install . . . replace it every two years until the warranty runs out . . . hmm.
I'm out of warranty and we do not have a Costco locally.
The 80Ah replacement BMW battery is made by Exide. :thumbup:
stuka
06-06-2010, 11:35 AM
Apparently it is the season for me to buy batteries. :mad:
x2 for the boat (2 years old) and still have to purchase one for the E90, have it installed, and then have the car reprogrammed (1 hr labor plus whatever install is). :rolleyes: BMW can... :flipoff:
Oh, that's nothing.
I tried to retrofit factory PDC on my S4 Avant. Got all the right parts with the right bumper for the recessed factory sensors.
As it turns out, B7 platform uses different intstrument clusters for cars equipped from the factory with PDC.
You read that right, to properly retrofit PDC with proper wiring harness, you have to buy a new cluster.
SARAFIL
06-06-2010, 11:51 AM
Oh, that's nothing.
I tried to retrofit factory PDC on my S4 Avant. Got all the right parts with the right bumper for the recessed factory sensors.
As it turns out, B7 platform uses different intstrument clusters for cars equipped from the factory with PDC.
You read that right, to properly retrofit PDC with proper wiring harness, you have to buy a new cluster.
Just curious.... is there any type of indicator or display on the cluster on a car with PDC, or is this merely an electronics/wiring thing?
While we're talking about weird stuff... to retrofit the rear fog lights on the R56, you need to replace the HVAC controls on the dash. :eek: Turns out that the row of toggle switches for the windows and fog lights at the bottom of the dash is part of the HVAC control unit. It ends up running $500-600 just for this part, plus the parts, wiring and labor for the actual fog lights. It was a common request we would get, and people would always have the same reaction when they got the quote (OMGWTFBBQ?!)... I think we actually had 1 customer go through with it.
http://www.penskeparts.com/DiagramsMid/B0031278.png?v=03192010
stuka
06-06-2010, 12:59 PM
The harness and the control box will not even plug in to my cluster.
I hate Audi.
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