Thinking about a new Mini Cooper S convertible now...

[wdc330i]

:)

[SCA]

That would be fun! I've yet to drive the current gen MINI. I liked the first gen Cooper S.

[TD]

And I've been looking into a used MCS hardtop to use as a commuter.

An MCS convertible somehow isn't my style. But I can see how someone might find it appealing.

Go for it.

[wdc330i]

And I've been looking into a used MCS hardtop to use as a commuter.

An MCS convertible somehow isn't my style. But I can see how someone might find it appealing.

Go for it.

Funny.

I know what you mean. The MCS convertible reminds me a bit of a VW convertible...But, it fits the bill on paper. Gotta go test drive one.

[Plaz]

I've been nothing but thrilled with my MCS as a commuter car. It's perfect, especially for Manhattan.

I loved my E46, and it was overall a "better" car. But the MCS is way more perfectly suited to this hardcore daily duty for which I purchased it.

I would not buy an R53, though. R56 only. Chrysler engine FTL, BMW\Peugeot engine FTW.

[TD]

I've been nothing but thrilled with my MCS as a commuter car. It's perfect, especially for Manhattan.

I loved my E46, and it was overall a "better" car. But the MCS is way more perfectly suited to this hardcore daily duty for which I purchased it.

I would not buy an R53, though. R56 only. Chrysler engine FTL, BMW\Peugeot engine FTW.
Remind me, what year did the generations change?

[lupinsea]

And I've been looking into a used MCS hardtop to use as a commuter.

An MCS convertible somehow isn't my style. But I can see how someone might find it appealing.

Go for it.

:+1

The MCS hard tops seem like they could be a fun little car. I'm not quite sold on the convertible personally but for you? Definitely check them out. The MCS 'verts have gotten very good reviews for being a fun, sporty 4-door convertible.

[Plaz]

Remind me, what year did the generations change?

I think 2007 was the first year of the R56. (hardtop... another year or two for the 'vert to catch up)

[wdc330i]

How long do orders take?

[Sharp11]

There's a two seat "roadster" version of the Mini planned for production, it made the shows this winter - looks nifty.

Not sure when it's available.

If the four-seater is what you want and you're willing to spend in the 20's, I'd strongly suggest an e46 vert, ZHP or not, it's the perfect car for what you want. :)

[GregE_325]

I've been looking at MINIs too. The local dealer has a few leftover 2009 models left, with 4-6k off the sticker price. I've test driven several of them over this past weekend, and was very impressed. I'm trying to decide between a Cooper S and a Clubman still on the lot. I like the power and handling of the Cooper S, but the extra space of the Clubman would be handy at times.

-- Greg

[TD]

:)
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=32407710&listingRecNum=11&criteria=prMx%3D17000%26sf1Dir%3DDESC%26prMn%3D0%2 6mkId%3D20075%26stkTyp%3DU%26mdId%3D20874%26rd%3D2 50%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-pseudoPrice-yrId%26zc%3D20850%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dpric e%26yrId%3D20145%26yrId%3D20200%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26 rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national

[wdc330i]

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=32407710&listingRecNum=11&criteria=prMx%3D17000%26sf1Dir%3DDESC%26prMn%3D0%2 6mkId%3D20075%26stkTyp%3DU%26mdId%3D20874%26rd%3D2 50%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-pseudoPrice-yrId%26zc%3D20850%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dpric e%26yrId%3D20145%26yrId%3D20200%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26 rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national

That's a deal! But, from what I understand, the convertible's poor rear visibility is horrendous in the models prior to the pop-up roll bars...

[SARAFIL]

I'd strongly suggest the R56/R55/R57 (coupe, clubman, and convertible ;)) over the first-gen cars. The first years for the bodystyles are 2007, 2008, and 2009 respectively.

The R57 (new conv) is head and shoulders above a 1st gen convertible ('05-'08), both in terms of power delivery and overall refinement. Handling, road noise, visibility are all MUCH better on the 2nd gen.

[SARAFIL]

That's a deal! But, from what I understand, the convertible's poor rear visibility is horrendous in the models prior to the pop-up roll bars...

Horrendous is an understatement. On the first-gen, I don't even know why they bothered putting in a rear window. You can not see out of the back with the top up.

[TD]

I can't believe how red this car's interior is. Wow!

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=276382820

[FC]

My only concern re: the MCS cab is that it gets heavier, pricier, slower, and the back seat (IIRC) gets even tighter.

But aside fromt the performance hit, if there is room enough for the kids in the back and the price is ok, it's a very cool car to cruise about.

[SARAFIL]

I can't believe how red this car's interior is. Wow!

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=276382820

That's actually a beautiful color combo, Sparkling Silver with Redwood Lounge. It is not as deep "red" as you see in that pic, you should certainly see one "in person" to get an idea. It has a bit of orange/copper tint to it-- not red like BMW's Coral Red or Tanin Red used to be.

[lemming]

That's actually a beautiful color combo, Sparkling Silver with Redwood Lounge. It is not as deep "red" as you see in that pic, you should certainly see one "in person" to get an idea. It has a bit of orange/copper tint to it-- not red like BMW's Coral Red or Tanin Red used to be.

structural rigidity and power AUC are a quantum leap in the R57 compared with the first MINI convertible effort.

[JST]

A left field idea is the new 300 hp V6 Mustang...

TD, I don't think we're planning to sell our Mini yet, but we may in the not too distant future.

[wdc330i]

Out of left field--but appropriate for this forum: Just drove a 2006 e46 M3 convertible with SMG. Really, really good, despite the SMG. The transmission is a weird thing, but the car is amazing. Like my old 330i on steriods.

And yet, I may just not be a used-car buying person. The car had a number of very odd electrical gremlins--high beams stuck on; passenger door would not unlock via the interior release button. But the deal breaker? No heated seats. In this area, that feature really extends the driving season. But also, I'm now used to I-drive and a heated steering wheel. How do you go backwards in amenities? Driving that car just made me wish I could order it new with all the bells and whistles.

Totally spoiled.

I don't dare drive an e90 M3 convertible, if I still imagine an MCS convertible might fill the bill.

I think we just have to figure out whether we're buying a third car toy, or replacing the 5 wagon with something that needs to function as a year-round satisfying car with some creature comforts. If the latter, probably the best bet is an e90 335 convertible; if the former--a new MCS or a used e46 convertible.

There's quite a nice Audi S4 convertible at Advantage. But from what I can tell, it offers no "advantage" over the 3 convertible.

[Sharp11]

Out of left field--but appropriate for this forum: Just drove a 2006 e46 M3 convertible with SMG. Really, really good, despite the SMG. The transmission is a weird thing, but the car is amazing. Like my old 330i on steriods.

And yet, I may just not be a used-car buying person. The car had a number of very odd electrical gremlins--high beams stuck on; passenger door would not unlock via the interior release button. But the deal breaker? No heated seats. In this area, that feature really extends the driving season. But also, I'm now used to I-drive and a heated steering wheel. How do you go backwards in amenities? Driving that car just made me wish I could order it new with all the bells and whistles.

Totally spoiled.

I don't dare drive an e90 M3 convertible, if I still imagine an MCS convertible might fill the bill.

I think we just have to figure out whether we're buying a third car toy, or replacing the 5 wagon with something that needs to function as a year-round satisfying car with some creature comforts. If the latter, probably the best bet is an e90 335 convertible; if the former--a new MCS or a used e46 convertible.

There's quite a nice Audi S4 convertible at Advantage. But from what I can tell, it offers no "advantage" over the 3 convertible.

You can find an e46 vert with nav (but no I-drive of course), in fact, BMW of Ridgefield CT has an 06 ZHP vert with 35 plus k miles, a six speed and a cpo tag, all for 32k (steep, but there's room to negotiate). It's stunningly well preserved.

No heated steering wheels, but certainly heated seats are pretty common (I've got 'em, love 'em). Mine's also bluetooth equipped - though I've never used it, I'm not particularly interested in gadgets for the car.

Audi convertibles are certainly beautiful, and an S4 would be equivalent to the M3 in the market place, but it's heavier and the AWD platform isn't really necessary - RWD E46's are just so much fun to drive.

As much as I like to think about new cars and what's next, my vert has been such a great car (still tight and rattle free and still as beautiful inside and out as the day I took it home), I'd hate to part with it :)

Yeah, I'm a fanboi, I guess :-0

[JST]

There's an Imola red ZHP 330Cic auto at Arlington. 24k, 52k miles.

[rumatt]

Still a convertible.

Next.


:D

I've never driven either in convertible form... I'd probably take a MCS vert over an M3 vert.

[TD]

Out of left field--but appropriate for this forum: Just drove a 2006 e46 M3 convertible with SMG. Really, really good, despite the SMG. The transmission is a weird thing, but the car is amazing. Like my old 330i on steriods.

And yet, I may just not be a used-car buying person. The car had a number of very odd electrical gremlins--high beams stuck on; passenger door would not unlock via the interior release button. But the deal breaker? No heated seats. In this area, that feature really extends the driving season. But also, I'm now used to I-drive and a heated steering wheel. How do you go backwards in amenities? Driving that car just made me wish I could order it new with all the bells and whistles.

Totally spoiled.

I don't dare drive an e90 M3 convertible, if I still imagine an MCS convertible might fill the bill.

I think we just have to figure out whether we're buying a third car toy, or replacing the 5 wagon with something that needs to function as a year-round satisfying car with some creature comforts. If the latter, probably the best bet is an e90 335 convertible; if the former--a new MCS or a used e46 convertible.

There's quite a nice Audi S4 convertible at Advantage. But from what I can tell, it offers no "advantage" over the 3 convertible.
That S4 is an automatic. So why not check this car out that is also there, less $$ and much nicer, IMO.

http://www.advantagecertified.com/inventory/view.php?inventory_id=1912

[wdc330i]

That S4 is an automatic. So why not check this car out that is also there, less $$ and much nicer, IMO.

http://www.advantagecertified.com/inventory/view.php?inventory_id=1912

I saw that. It looks like a peach. I am a bit over the whole black 3 series thing, though, having had them for 9 years. The ZHP that JST points out is imola, which would be fab. I wonder about 52k mikes, though.

[John V]

That S4 is an automatic. So why not check this car out that is also there, less $$ and much nicer, IMO.

http://www.advantagecertified.com/inventory/view.php?inventory_id=1912

That's a shockingly realistic price from the king of ripoff used-car lots.

[wdc330i]

That's a shockingly realistic price from the king of ripoff used-car lots.

LOL. Yes. I've seen dealers asking about that for a plain jane 330i--but with some CPO warranty left.

[TD]

That's a shockingly realistic price from the king of ripoff used-car lots.
JST's Boxster was rather reasonably priced as well.

Honestly, I've been checkingin on their listings pretty regularly lately and they don't seem nearly as out of line as they used to

[John V]

That's good to hear. They used to be completely bonkers with mediocre cars and super premium prices.

[wdc330i]

For $4k more I could have this. WITH heated seats:

http://www.rosenthaljaguar.com/detail.cfm?requestAction=goDetail&inventoryID=170500&NewUsed=0&specialFlag=0&sortBy=5&displayNum=35&currPage=1&currSection=1&startPage=1&displayPage=7&showAll=0&orderBy=0&advancedSearch=0&minMPG=&listType=C&Year=&MakeID=4&ModelID=2000&Trim=&itemType=0&txtItemType=&txtMinPrice=&txtMaxPrice=&sortOrderBy=5%2C0

[TD]

For $4k more I could have this. WITH heated seats:

http://www.rosenthaljaguar.com/detail.cfm?requestAction=goDetail&inventoryID=170500&NewUsed=0&specialFlag=0&sortBy=5&displayNum=35&currPage=1&currSection=1&startPage=1&displayPage=7&showAll=0&orderBy=0&advancedSearch=0&minMPG=&listType=C&Year=&MakeID=4&ModelID=2000&Trim=&itemType=0&txtItemType=&txtMinPrice=&txtMaxPrice=&sortOrderBy=5%2C0
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=270173851

[wdc330i]

I like the idea of having the last model year (and Bluetooth etc.). You could pick this one up...

[TD]

I like the idea of having the last model year (and Bluetooth etc.). You could pick this one up...
I'm thinking about it.

Remember, I have the latest BT module in the E39 that I could move over.

[wdc330i]

I'm thinking about it.

Remember, I have the latest BT module in the E39 that I could move over.

Problem solved!

Even though the idea of ANOTHER e46 bores the life out of me, I can't really get the M3 drive out of my head. Always a dangerous thing...financially. It's the same $$ as a brand new MCS droptop. VOB has one that's a bit pricer--a stick that's under warranty until 2013, which might be very nice.

[TD]

Problem solved!

Even though the idea of ANOTHER e46 bores the life out of me, I can't really get the M3 drive out of my head. Always a dangerous thing...financially. It's the same $$ as a brand new MCS droptop. VOB has one that's a bit pricer--a stick that's under warranty until 2013, which might be very nice.
I'm also waiting for this guy to post pics- http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=276491354&dealer_id=65123313

This one is cheaper and has NAV (which I don't find useful itself but I think the E46s with NAV look less dated).

[wdc330i]

I'm also waiting for this guy to post pics- http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=276491354&dealer_id=65123313

This one is cheaper and has NAV (which I don't find useful itself but I think the E46s with NAV look less dated).

Ooo. Red interior. He's in a tony zip code, FWIW. Aren't you leary of the 2002s? I guess if the engine were going to blow up, it would have by now.

[TD]

I'm going to have to check this MCS out considering it's practically in walking distance from my house- http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=37304500&listingRecNum=41&criteria=sf1Dir%3DASC%26mkId%3D20075%26stkTyp%3DU% 26mdId%3D20874%26rd%3D250%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-yrId-prcId%26zc%3D20850%26prcId%3D28578%26prcId%3D28577 %26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26yrId%3D2738 1%26yrId%3D20201%26yrId%3D20145%26yrId%3D20200%26r pp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national

The color combo is a bit odd but it's probably a good idea to drive one again considering it's been years since I last did.

[wdc330i]

I'm going to have to check this MCS out considering it's practically in walking distance from my house- http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=37304500&listingRecNum=41&criteria=sf1Dir%3DASC%26mkId%3D20075%26stkTyp%3DU% 26mdId%3D20874%26rd%3D250%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-yrId-prcId%26zc%3D20850%26prcId%3D28578%26prcId%3D28577 %26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26yrId%3D2738 1%26yrId%3D20201%26yrId%3D20145%26yrId%3D20200%26r pp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national

The color combo is a bit odd but it's probably a good idea to drive one again considering it's been years since I last did.


Looks like a good one.

[GregE_325]

I guess I've taken the first step into the MINI club. I've left a deposit on a leftover 2009 Cooper S. It's "Sparkling Silver" with a black roof and black Punch leather interior. It has the Premium Package, xenon headlights, and Bluetooth. It also has an automatic transmission with paddle shifters, which doesn't thrill me, but I can live with it. But at least it's new, with 112 miles on it, and the price was over 5 grand off the sticker price. I'm going to have heated seats added after taking delivery, which will hopefully be tomorrow depending on my schedule.

It sure handled really well. It was the first time I'd driven a MINI, and the thing drove like a little go-kart. Hopefully it will be a fun little car.

-- Greg

[Plaz]

I guess I've taken the first step into the MINI club. I've left a deposit on a leftover 2009 Cooper S. It's "Sparkling Silver" with a black roof and black Punch leather interior. It has the Premium Package, xenon headlights, and Bluetooth. It also has an automatic transmission with paddle shifters, which doesn't thrill me, but I can live with it. But at least it's new, with 112 miles on it, and the price was over 5 grand off the sticker price. I'm going to have heated seats added after taking delivery, which will hopefully be tomorrow depending on my schedule.

It sure handled really well. It was the first time I'd driven a MINI, and the thing drove like a little go-kart. Hopefully it will be a fun little car.

-- Greg

Congrats! They're definitely fun little cars. The fun-ness hasn't worn off for me in two years.

Though, I must admit, I think I'd prefer root canal to having an auto tranny in mine... it just seems unimaginable to me. :dunno:

[SCA]

I guess I've taken the first step into the MINI club. I've left a deposit on a leftover 2009 Cooper S. It's "Sparkling Silver" with a black roof and black Punch leather interior. It has the Premium Package, xenon headlights, and Bluetooth. It also has an automatic transmission with paddle shifters, which doesn't thrill me, but I can live with it. But at least it's new, with 112 miles on it, and the price was over 5 grand off the sticker price. I'm going to have heated seats added after taking delivery, which will hopefully be tomorrow depending on my schedule.

It sure handled really well. It was the first time I'd driven a MINI, and the thing drove like a little go-kart. Hopefully it will be a fun little car.

-- Greg

Congrats! Post some pics after you take delivery. Are you keeping the E46?


BTW, Knoxville is finally getting a MINI dealership. It is currently under construction. Century MINI in Greenville, SC or MINI of Nashville were the closet MIMI dealers therefore it has been many years since I have driven one. I seriously considered selling my '01 330Ci for one in 2004. Like you mentioned, they drive like a little go-kart.

[GregE_325]

Congrats! They're definitely fun little cars. The fun-ness hasn't worn off for me in two years.

Though, I must admit, I think I'd prefer root canal to having an auto tranny in mine... it just seems unimaginable to me. :dunno:


Thanks! I'd much rather have a manual, but the price on this one was hard to pass up. It also doesn't help that my wife has a neurological disease which makes it difficult to coordinate muscles to drive a manual. It's a shame, because she was actually quite good at it a few years ago when I first taught her (before she got sick). Since the MINI will be my only car for now, having it with an automatic is probably the best way to go. She'll be able to drive it if she needs to.

Maybe in the near future I can add another car to the fleet which would be a manual.

-- Greg

[GregE_325]

Congrats! Post some pics after you take delivery. Are you keeping the E46?


BTW, Knoxville is finally getting a MINI dealership. It is currently under construction. Century MINI in Greenville, SC or MINI of Nashville were the closet MIMI dealers therefore it has been many years since I have driven one. I seriously considered selling my '01 330Ci for one in 2004. Like you mentioned, they drive like a little go-kart.


I'll just have the MINI as my only car for now. I sold the E46 not that long ago, and have been driving a Land Rover LR3 as of late. I need to make a note to update my car in the profile once I get it.

Congrats on getting the MINI dealer. The one here in Birmingham just opened up last year. They seem to be doing a great business, and now it's not necessary to go to Atlanta or Nashville to buy or service a MINI.

I'll definitely post some pictures when I get it. I'm hoping to get by there and finish the deal tomorrow, so that way I can go on the local BMW CCA drive that's being held on Saturday. It is a trip to the Jack Daniel's distillery, and there are plenty of fun roads that I'd like to try the MINI out on.

-- Greg

[TD]

Ooo. Red interior. He's in a tony zip code, FWIW. Aren't you leary of the 2002s? I guess if the engine were going to blow up, it would have by now.
Pics are posted.

This is *very* tempting.

[JST]

Pics are posted.

This is *very* tempting.

So it looks like he replaced it with a V8 M3.

[SCA]

I'm hoping to get by there and finish the deal tomorrow, so that way I can go on the local BMW CCA drive that's being held on Saturday. It is a trip to the Jack Daniel's distillery, and there are plenty of fun roads that I'd like to try the MINI out on.

-- Greg


Aww... I did not know you sold the E46.


Our local chapter did a drive to the JD distillery a few years ago. As with most of our chapter events there was a very small turn out.

[SCA]

Pics are posted.

This is *very* tempting.


Nice, looks well kept, but are you sure you would want an '02?

[zcasavant]

Nice, looks well kept, but are you sure you would want an '02?

Nick has an '02 which has been fine.

[TD]

Nice, looks well kept, but are you sure you would want an '02?
As wdc said, if it was going to blow, it would have by now.

[TD]

So it looks like he replaced it with a V8 M3.
Saw that. Good reason to sell.

[JST]

Saw that. Good reason to sell.

FWIW, it has a strut bar brace, which either means it is a late build '02 (after March of 2002, IIRC) or that he added it afterward. Not that this is in anyway important; just a piece of trivia that popped into my head.

[SCA]

Nick has an '02 which has been fine.


Obviously each car is different, but the former GF has an '02 vert. It had several issues. She purchased it with nearly 30k and by the time our relationship ended she had 50k+.

My gripes with it were the SMG :ack: and the cowl shake.

[TD]

Obviously each car is different, but the former GF has an '02 vert. It had several issues. She purchased it with nearly 30k and by the time our relationship ended she had 50k+.

My gripes with it were the SMG :ack: and the cowl shake.
You couldn't pay me to get SMG.

[SCA]

You couldn't pay me to get SMG.

Yup... it sucks.

She could not drive a manual car.

[TD]

Yup... it sucks.

She could not drive a manual car.
Rule #1- Never date (or marry) a woman who cannot drive a stick.

[SCA]

Rule #1- Never date (or marry) a woman who cannot drive a stick.

:lol: I tried to implement that policy, but it failed to last. The lastest GF could drive a stick, supposedly.:rolleyes: I let her drive the E90 one evening. I was NOT impressed and needless to say that was the last time she drove it.

[Plaz]

Rule #1- Never date (or marry) a woman who cannot drive a stick.

My wife can't drive a car with manual transmission.

That's okay. She just never drives my car. No way in hell it's going to affect my car choices for me.

This in stark contrast to a buddy of mine who's wife can drive manual, but has succeeded, after years of continuous nagging, in forcing him to always sit down to pee at home. :lol:

[JST]

Rule #1- Never date (or marry) a woman who cannot drive a stick.

The counterpoint might be that a man more interested in your driving abilities than anything else is probably not a good man to marry. :)

[TD]

The counterpoint might be that a man more interested in your driving abilities than anything else is probably not a good man to marry. :)
LOL.

[wdc330i]

Pics are posted.

This is *very* tempting.

Call.

[TD]

Call.
No point until I can get Tonya to check out the ad and agree that we should go check out the car.

Fortunately we have a kid-free window Saturday morning to go check it out.

[SCA]

after years of continuous nagging, in forcing him to always sit down to pee at home. :lol:

LMAO... :bustingup

[TD]

Just called. For what it's worth, sounds like an honest, wealthy Indian guy who loves the car. Says it has some dings and other cosmetic imperfections. But solid on maintenance.

We're checking it out Sat AM.

[SCA]

Just called. For what it's worth, sounds like an honest, wealthy Indian guy who loves the car. Says it has some dings and other cosmetic imperfections. But solid on maintenance.

We're checking it out Sat AM.


:thumbup:

[wdc330i]

I guess my only question is why it needed new front and rear bumpers.

We're checking out our M3 on Saturday, with kid.

[TD]

I guess my only question is why it needed new front and rear bumpers.

We're checking out our M3 on Saturday, with kid.
I got the story. He got rear-ended. Not too bad but slightly bent the trunk lid and required the rear bumper be replaced. And he hit something while driving that messed up the front bumper.

He had the work done at Wagonworks so I trust it was done right.

Of course, if I really like the car, I'll take it for a PPI.

What car are you checking out?

[wdc330i]

I got the story. He got rear-ended. Not too bad but slightly bent the trunk lid and required the rear bumper be replaced. And he hit something while driving that messed up the front bumper.

He had the work done at Wagonworks so I trust it was done right.

Of course, if I really like the car, I'll take it for a PPI.

What car are you checking out?

If it was Wagonworks, it should be fine.

We're checking this one out: http://www.rosenthaljaguar.com/detail.cfm?requestAction=goDetail&inventoryID=170500&NewUsed=0&specialFlag=0&sortBy=5&displayNum=35&currPage=1&currSection=1&startPage=1&displayPage=7&showAll=0&orderBy=0&advancedSearch=0&minMPG=&listType=C&Year=&MakeID=4&ModelID=&Trim=&itemType=0&txtItemType=&txtMinPrice=&txtMaxPrice=&sortOrderBy=5%2C0

About $10k cheaper than the one I tried at Tischer, and it has heated seats. Just a few weeks left under warranty, tho.

[TD]

If it was Wagonworks, it should be fine.

We're checking this one out: http://www.rosenthaljaguar.com/detail.cfm?requestAction=goDetail&inventoryID=170500&NewUsed=0&specialFlag=0&sortBy=5&displayNum=35&currPage=1&currSection=1&startPage=1&displayPage=7&showAll=0&orderBy=0&advancedSearch=0&minMPG=&listType=C&Year=&MakeID=4&ModelID=&Trim=&itemType=0&txtItemType=&txtMinPrice=&txtMaxPrice=&sortOrderBy=5%2C0

About $10k cheaper than the one I tried at Tischer, and it has heated seats. Just a few weeks left under warranty, tho.
Nice. Tonya was just ogling the leather. The cinnamon i nice. White with cinnamon is out first choice. But the black and red is pretty cool. Much better than silver with black.

[Theo]

Nice. Tonya was just ogling the leather. The cinnamon i nice. White with cinnamon is out first choice. But the black and red is pretty cool. Much better than silver with black.

Both combo's are very nice. Not sure I would ever get a silver BMW though. The E46 body calls for a stand out color to show its lines.

+1 on the cinnamon. We loved it in our coupe.

[SCA]

Both combo's are very nice. Not sure I would ever get a silver BMW though. The E46 body calls for a stand out color to show its lines.

+1 on the cinnamon.


:+1 to all of the above.

[JST]

Carbon black/cinnamon was always my favorite combo, though black over red is a close second.

[TD]

Carbon black/cinnamon was always my favorite combo, though black over red is a close second.
Black/cinnamon is my personal favorite as well.

However, this combo is pretty cool. I hope the car checks out.

Interestingly, the kbb and edmunds prices for this car are about $4k less than his asking price. I wonder how willingly he'll come down.

[Theo]

Carbon black/cinnamon was always my favorite combo, though black over red is a close second.

Agreed on both. I saw a CB\Carmel E39 the other day and that combo rocks as well.

GOOD LUCK TD!!

[wdc330i]

:+1 to all of the above.

:+1:+1

Darker colors are much better on the convertible. But this one has the options I like, price, mileage. So I can live with it. It will also weather living outside a bit better than a dark car.

There is a nice jet black with gray at VOB. Looks much sharper than I'd imagine. Buy I know from experience grey doesn't age all that well.

[wdc330i]

Black/cinnamon is my personal favorite as well.

However, this combo is pretty cool. I hope the car checks out.

Interestingly, the kbb and edmunds prices for this car are about $4k less than his asking price. I wonder how willingly he'll come down.

Wow. $16k. Not much more than my 330i sold for back in 2009. If you like the car, you might split the difference at $18k.

[wdc330i]

Black/cinnamon is my personal favorite as well.

However, this combo is pretty cool. I hope the car checks out.

Interestingly, the kbb and edmunds prices for this car are about $4k less than his asking price. I wonder how willingly he'll come down.

If the DC one doesn't work out, this looks like a no-excuses example:

http://autos.yahoo.com/used-cars/bmw-m3-cars342489070;_ylt=AjhWVSjC0xC.l8RvOomAK_nLVY54;_y lv=3?start=16&geo=true&sortcol=price&sortdir=up&location=Fredericksburg%2C+VA+22401&listingtype=used&model=m3&make=bmw&distance=50

[zcasavant]

If the DC one doesn't work out, this looks like a no-excuses example:

http://autos.yahoo.com/used-cars/bmw-m3-cars342489070;_ylt=AjhWVSjC0xC.l8RvOomAK_nLVY54;_y lv=3?start=16&geo=true&sortcol=price&sortdir=up&location=Fredericksburg%2C+VA+22401&listingtype=used&model=m3&make=bmw&distance=50

I love the color...is that really space gray or is it silver gray?

Not in love with the gray leather though.

[wdc330i]

I love the color...is that really space gray or is it silver gray?

Not in love with the gray leather though.

I forget the name of this gray exterior. It might be the same has TD's old 330i. Was there something called Titanium Gray? The dark gray/lighter gray combo has a nice monoculture look about it. But gray is hard to keep.

[TD]

If the DC one doesn't work out, this looks like a no-excuses example:

http://autos.yahoo.com/used-cars/bmw-m3-cars342489070;_ylt=AjhWVSjC0xC.l8RvOomAK_nLVY54;_y lv=3?start=16&geo=true&sortcol=price&sortdir=up&location=Fredericksburg%2C+VA+22401&listingtype=used&model=m3&make=bmw&distance=50
I saw that one. But, honestly, a number of details about it make me leery. While moded largely with OE mods, you've got the super cheesy lower front grill and the lambo side mirrors. Those mods imply an "E46 Fanatics"-type as the previous owner which implies potentially poor maintenance and lots of abuse.

And I hate BMW grey interiors.

Otherwise, it's a damn sharp car.

[TD]

I forget the name of this gray exterior. It might be the same has TD's old 330i. Was there something called Titanium Gray? The dark gray/lighter gray combo has a nice monoculture look about it. But gray is hard to keep.
My old E46 was steel grey. This does look to be the same color.

[wdc330i]

My old E46 was steel grey. This does look to be the same color.

Great color. Our 5 wagon is similar. I think it's called Anthracite Gray or some such silliness.

Wow! Purple: http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=275141240&dealer_id=65044385&car_year=2004&rdm=1269004827073&lastStartYear=1981&model=M3&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=2002&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=1&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=used&distance=50&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=280294&showZipError=n&make=BMW&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&body_style=CONVERT&drive=&default_sort=&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=2&sort_type=priceDESC&address=91310&advanced=&end_year=2006&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=28&standard=false&rdpage=thumb

[TD]

Great color. Our 5 wagon is similar. I think it's called Anthracite Gray or some such silliness.
Actually, anthracite is slightly different - more blue in the mix. The E39 is anthracite.

My dad already had the E39 when I had that E46 and they've been parked side by side. The color is more different than the pics suggest.

[wdc330i]

Found it: Our wagon is Titanium Gray Metallic. Yet another shade of gray! Like this:

http://imgs.getauto.com/imgs/ag/ga/40/41/a/WBANB53517CP04041-a.jpg

[wdc330i]

Just found a 2006 M3 brochure. Titanium Silver/Cinnamon option was not allowed...strange.

[TD]

Just found a 2006 M3 brochure. Titanium Silver/Cinnamon option was not allowed...strange.
I'll be honest, the combo kind of looks like something that they wouldn't allow to be ordered together. In general, none of the brown leathers were ever orderable with silver, IIRC.

Link to '06 brochure- http://www.m3forum.com/brochures/e46_m3_2006.pdf

Just for my own information, I'm still looking for an '02 brochure.

[wdc330i]

I'll be honest, the combo kind of looks like something that they wouldn't allow to be ordered together. In general, none of the brown leathers were ever orderable with silver, IIRC.

Link to '06 brochure- http://www.m3forum.com/brochures/e46_m3_2006.pdf

Just for my own information, I'm still looking for an '02 brochure.

Thanks! Admittedly it's an odd combo. But "unique"! :rolleyes: On the bright side, I figured out the car I'm looking at has another 4 mos. of BMW warranty.

[wdc330i]

Just for my own information, I'm still looking for an '02 brochure.

BMW's website only seems to go back to 2004...

[bren]

I figured out the car I'm looking at has another 4 mos. of BMW warranty.
I would look into whether it's had an inspection (valve adjustment) done yet. At that mileage it may be really close either way.

[zcasavant]

Thanks! Admittedly it's an odd combo. But "unique"! :rolleyes: On the bright side, I figured out the car I'm looking at has another 4 mos. of BMW warranty.

Does the car you're looking at have SMG? Those transmissions have had some issues if I recall correctly. Maybe Nick will chime in...

Bren has your SMG been ok?

[wdc330i]

I would look into whether it's had an inspection (valve adjustment) done yet. At that mileage it may be really close either way.

Good idea. Allegedly it has had a service at BMW of Arlington last month. But who knows.

[wdc330i]

Does the car you're looking at have SMG? Those transmissions have had some issues if I recall correctly.

Yes. And yes. Seems some are fine. Others require expensive repair. Possibly earlier ones are more trouble prone.

[bren]

Bren has your SMG been ok?
No problems with ~50k miles on it.

Good idea. Allegedly it has had a service at BMW of Arlington last month. But who knows.
I only bring it up because I priced an out of warranty Insp II recently. Needless to say it's not something you're going to want to pay someone to do right after you buy the car.

[wdc330i]

No problems with ~50k miles on it.


I only bring it up because I priced an out of warranty Insp II recently. Needless to say it's not something you're going to want to pay someone to do right after you buy the car.

I've heard $2,500 or so. Is that what you found?

How do you like the SMG?

[SCA]

If the DC one doesn't work out, this looks like a no-excuses example:

http://autos.yahoo.com/used-cars/bmw-m3-cars342489070;_ylt=AjhWVSjC0xC.l8RvOomAK_nLVY54;_y lv=3?start=16&geo=true&sortcol=price&sortdir=up&location=Fredericksburg%2C+VA+22401&listingtype=used&model=m3&make=bmw&distance=50

I like the exterior color and the CSL wheels. :thumbup:

A number of details about it make me leery. While moded largely with OE mods, you've got the super cheesy lower front grill and the lambo side mirrors. Those mods imply an "E46 Fanatics"-type as the previous owner which implies potentially poor maintenance and lots of abuse.

And I hate BMW grey interiors.

Otherwise, it's a damn sharp car.


I concur...

[bren]

I've heard $2,500 or so. Is that what you found?
I called 2 dealers and 2 independent shops.

The first dealer was $1600, the second started at $2800 and came down to $2400 when I told them how outrageous their price was.

One of the independents never called me back, and the other was around $1200.

How do you like the SMG?


I really like SMG, except for sometimes when it drives me crazy.

Really the only complaint I have is when navigating stop signs, or speed bumps, or trying to turn right on red. Basically anytime you slow to a crawl or don't come to a complete stop for over 2 seconds. The auto downshift thing kicks in and it feels like it takes forever for it to drop into 1st gear.

So my advice is to test drive it in traffic and some neighborhoods.

[wdc330i]

I called 2 dealers and 2 independent shops.

The first dealer was $1600, the second started at $2800 and came down to $2400 when I told them how outrageous their price was.

One of the independents never called me back, and the other was around $1200.




I really like SMG, except for sometimes when it drives me crazy.

Really the only complaint I have is when navigating stop signs, or speed bumps, or trying to turn right on red. Basically anytime you slow to a crawl or don't come to a complete stop for over 2 seconds. The auto downshift thing kicks in and it feels like it takes forever for it to drop into 1st gear.

So my advice is to test drive it in traffic and some neighborhoods.

Good advice, again, as what you describe is pretty much most of my driving. You're talking about auto mode?

[SCA]

Just for my own information, I'm still looking for an '02 brochure.

Tom, I might have one. I will check tonight.

[FC]

I definitely have one from either '02 or '03.

[bren]

Good advice, again, as what you describe is pretty much most of my driving. You're talking about auto mode?
No, even in manual mode it will downshift to avoid lugging the engine, or it will go to 1st after you come to a complete stop.

It will catch you out sometimes in that split second between when it realizes you've stopped and initiates the gear change and when you decide it's time to go.

I would never ever use auto mode - it is pretty much awful.

When you do drive it, another tip that you may have seen, is to either keep your throttle position absolutely still, or slightly lift when you select a gear change. With experience you will get the timing right and be able to shift perfectly smoothly.

[wdc330i]

No, even in manual mode it will downshift to avoid lugging the engine, or it will go to 1st after you come to a complete stop.

It will catch you out sometimes in that split second between when it realizes you've stopped and initiates the gear change and when you decide it's time to go.

I would never ever use auto mode - it is pretty much awful.

When you do drive it, another tip that you may have seen, is to either keep your throttle position absolutely still, or slightly lift when you select a gear change. With experience you will get the timing right and be able to shift perfectly smoothly.

Thanks! On my test drive of another SMG, I did notice herky-jerkiness in the auto mode. I'll try some slow maneuvers to see if it's something I can live with.

[wdc330i]

I'll be honest, the combo kind of looks like something that they wouldn't allow to be ordered together. In general, none of the brown leathers were ever orderable with silver, IIRC.

Link to '06 brochure- http://www.m3forum.com/brochures/e46_m3_2006.pdf

Just for my own information, I'm still looking for an '02 brochure.

Did you see this source for a 2002 manual? http://www.linquist.net/motorsports/bmw/3manuals/

[SCA]

I would never ever use auto mode - it is pretty much awful.


Understatement...

[FC]

Found my M3 brochure. It's from '03. Steel Gray is N/A with Cinamon.

[equ]

Love silver or gray (and sometimes carbon black) with cinnamon on the e46 m3. That is one of the few cars I regret not having had a chance to own. Coupe & manual for me though...

[wdc330i]

Love silver or gray (and sometimes carbon black) with cinnamon on the e46 m3. That is one of the few cars I regret not having had a chance to own. Coupe & manual for me though...

Yeah, feel like this is my last chance at this car before they become too elderly. Seems the perfect fun, family-friendly convertible. We'll see.

[SARAFIL]

Yeah, feel like this is my last chance at this car before they become too elderly. Seems the perfect fun, family-friendly convertible. We'll see.


I almost got a sweet Imola Red M3 Conv back in 2006 when I got the MZ4. BMW had some amazing leases on the car, but they were not as crazy as the one I picked up on the MZ4. I loved the MZ4, but always had a sweet spot for the E46 M3 and sometimes wish that I had gotten that car.

[undefined]

There were plenty of gray/cinnamon cars ordered and delivered. It wasn't a "standard" combo but it also was not an extra cost combo.

[SARAFIL]

There were plenty of SG/cinnamon cars ordered and delivered.

Guys, don't go strictly by what the brochure lists as an allowable combination. With few exceptions, we could order just about any exterior color with any interior color... even if it was not one of the ones listed as an "official" combination in the brochure or website.

[undefined]

obligatory:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/Eyesofsilver/M3%20Folder/M3%20Colors/pylsbintrrr.jpg

[SARAFIL]

I can imagine the discussion at the dealer when this car was ordered.

"Hi, I'm looking for the M3... but I want to make sure that I have the ugliest one in the world. Do you have any suggestions on how I can do that?"

obligatory:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/Eyesofsilver/M3%20Folder/M3%20Colors/pylsbintrrr.jpg

[TD]

Drove the black and red one. Probably okay mechanically but beat to shit cosmetically. I mean, I understand that any 8 year old car is going to have wear. But this was bad. Our 11 year old E39 looks much MUCH nicer. Oh, and while going straight, the steering wheel was not centered. And the same shop that did the alignment resulting in the skewed steering wheel replaced the clutch.

Um, I think I'll pass.

[undefined]

I seem to remember some kind of recall being done on my M3 and after the service was performed my steering wheel ended up not centered. I immediately noticed and let them know and they fixed it quickly. I think this was a common result.

Can't remember which recall it was though.

[John V]

I can imagine the discussion at the dealer when this car was ordered.

"Hi, I'm looking for the M3... but I want to make sure that I have the ugliest one in the world. Do you have any suggestions on how I can do that?"

That pic looks kind of like an HDR photo. What a strange color combination.

[wdc330i]

Um. Didn't buy the TiSilver/Cinnamon SMG. Bought this instead--but not for sticker:

http://vobbmw.com/BMW-Pre-Owned-Inventory.aspx?InventoryId=30722136

:D

[wdc330i]

Drove the black and red one. Probably okay mechanically but beat to shit cosmetically. I mean, I understand that any 8 year old car is going to have wear. But this was bad. Our 11 year old E39 looks much MUCH nicer. Oh, and while going straight, the steering wheel was not centered. And the same shop that did the alignment resulting in the skewed steering wheel replaced the clutch.

Um, I think I'll pass.

Ugh. So sorry to hear that....I'm sure a better one will come along.

[Plaz]

Um. Didn't buy the TiSilver/Cinnamon SMG. Bought this instead--but not for sticker:

http://vobbmw.com/BMW-Pre-Owned-Inventory.aspx?InventoryId=30722136

:D

Wow, congrats!

[JST]

Very nice--congrats. Avoiding the SMG was the right call, I think.

[TD]

Um. Didn't buy the TiSilver/Cinnamon SMG. Bought this instead--but not for sticker:

http://vobbmw.com/BMW-Pre-Owned-Inventory.aspx?InventoryId=30722136

:D
That's impressive. You don't mess around. Congrats!

Between Tonya and I, we have such limiting color preferences that, even ignoring price, there aren't that many examples out there. No silver or red exteriors. No grey, black or tan interiors (that's the biggest problem - I'll do black but she won't and she'll do tan but I won't). And I want it to have NAV. And it's got to have heated seats.

So this will likely be an ongoing project.

[JST]

No black, grey or tan? What does that leave you with, just cinnamon and red?

[TD]

No black, grey or tan? What does that leave you with, just cinnamon and red?
I said it's a problem.

[SARAFIL]

No black, grey or tan? What does that leave you with, just cinnamon and red?

I guess this is becoming a better and better option for him:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/Eyesofsilver/M3%20Folder/M3%20Colors/pylsbintrrr.jpg

[SCA]

Um. Didn't buy the TiSilver/Cinnamon SMG. Bought this instead--but not for sticker:

http://vobbmw.com/BMW-Pre-Owned-Inventory.aspx?InventoryId=30722136

:D


Congrats! I agree with JST, you will be glad you passed on the SMG.

[RMR]

Um. Didn't buy the TiSilver/Cinnamon SMG. Bought this instead--but not for sticker:

http://vobbmw.com/BMW-Pre-Owned-Inventory.aspx?InventoryId=30722136

:D

Very nice. Congrats and enjoy!

[wdc330i]

I guess this is becoming a better and better option for him:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/Eyesofsilver/M3%20Folder/M3%20Colors/pylsbintrrr.jpg

LOL. Thanks everyone. I'm very excited. And best of all, I have the all important spouse buy-in. The SMG just didn't put the smile on either of our faces. This one did. And the appeal to practicality is good too--regular warranty for another year; CPO warranty until 2013. Plus the indefinable feeling that this one seemed really well cared for. At least, not abused or neglected.

This car was meant to have a stick. Of course, talk to me again when I'm driving it on a rainy day into town in heavy, rush hour traffic. But hey, I did that for 30-plus years without giving it a second thought.

[wdc330i]

I said it's a problem.

Yikes. I think the problem is you really need a lighter interior color for a convertible so you don't fry--but none of them wear very well, especially with kids.

[wdc330i]

I almost got a sweet Imola Red M3 Conv back in 2006 when I got the MZ4. BMW had some amazing leases on the car, but they were not as crazy as the one I picked up on the MZ4. I loved the MZ4, but always had a sweet spot for the E46 M3 and sometimes wish that I had gotten that car.

Imola is--hands down my favorite color for a BMW. Well, except for tourmaline violet...This is, ahem, my THIRD f-ing Jet Black e46. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. But I do think it looks much sharper than the TiSilver.

[Theo]

Beautiful car and choice. I always liked those 19's. ENJOY.

[GregE_325]

I guess I should post the obligatory pictures. I sealed the deal yesterday, but brought the car back this morning for full detail. So far, the car handles wonderfully. I'm certainly not driving it aggressively with only 200 miles on the clock now, but it's obvious that the car is going to be a little screamer.

There are a couple of little additions that I 'm planning on doing in the near future. I want to add the center armrest, and have heaters added to the seats. Besides that, it should be good to go.

-- Greg

[Sharp11]

Um. Didn't buy the TiSilver/Cinnamon SMG. Bought this instead--but not for sticker:

http://vobbmw.com/BMW-Pre-Owned-Inventory.aspx?InventoryId=30722136

:D

Fantastic!! (btw, it's a black 3 series:) you were supposed to be tired of that :spit:)

I have the same color interior as yours, but since mine's a ZHP, it's got the black cube instead of the aluminum trim - however, same seats, shifter, and the rest of the bits and pieces.

Awesome car, you made the right choice!!! I'm kinda jealous

Ed

[Sharp11]

I guess I should post the obligatory pictures. I sealed the deal yesterday, but brought the car back this morning for full detail. So far, the car handles wonderfully. I'm certainly not driving it aggressively with only 200 miles on the clock now, but it's obvious that the car is going to be a little screamer.

There are a couple of little additions that I 'm planning on doing in the near future. I want to add the center armrest, and have heaters added to the seats. Besides that, it should be good to go.

-- Greg

Very nice, love the wheels - post impressions.

[Sharp11]

Yikes. I think the problem is you really need a lighter interior color for a convertible so you don't fry--but none of them wear very well, especially with kids.

As for wear, I just did the full leather treatment and detail on my light gray and it looks fabulous, like brand new - there's a bit of wear on the side bolster from getting in and out, but it's slight.

[Theo]

Cool car Greg. Is that a radar detector in Aux plug? =)

[wdc330i]

Fantastic!! (btw, it's a black 3 series:) you were supposed to be tired of that :spit:)

I have the same color interior as yours, but since mine's a ZHP, it's got the black cube instead of the aluminum trim - however, same seats, shifter, and the rest of the bits and pieces.

Awesome car, you made the right choice!!! I'm kinda jealous

Ed

Thanks! I've always envied your car--so we're even.

[wdc330i]

I guess I should post the obligatory pictures. I sealed the deal yesterday, but brought the car back this morning for full detail. So far, the car handles wonderfully. I'm certainly not driving it aggressively with only 200 miles on the clock now, but it's obvious that the car is going to be a little screamer.

There are a couple of little additions that I 'm planning on doing in the near future. I want to add the center armrest, and have heaters added to the seats. Besides that, it should be good to go.

-- Greg

Very sharp. You're going to love it.

[TD]

Ooo... If I was only willing to spend this much.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=c&car_id=274178164

wdc, was this one there when you bought yours yesterday?

[wdc330i]

I saw it online, but not in person. Looks great and meets all your criteria. Bet you could get them down a bit. Sell the 5. They do a nice job of reconditioning. My car came with brand new oem tires. Plus free maintenance and warranty adds up to a value. Ask for Nan if you go.

[SARAFIL]

Ooo... If I was only willing to spend this much.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=c&car_id=274178164

wdc, was this one there when you bought yours yesterday?


Beautiful color combo!

[equ]

Congrats to both of you!

(WDC: I think gray is the best interior bmw color, and you can't go wrong with carbon black... Double congrats on avoiding SMG.)

[FC]

Congrats WDC!

[SARAFIL]

Congrats to both of you!

(WDC: I think gray is the best interior bmw color, and you can't go wrong with carbon black... Double congrats on avoiding SMG.)



It looks like it is actually Jet Fockin' Black

[wdc330i]

It looks like it is actually Jet Fockin' Black

Indeed it is. Yet again. I guess three times' the charm. Oy! But it's a great car; I can't stop driving it. Of course it helps that it's 75 and sunny today. It's pretty amazing to have among the very last of the e46 M3s--and of the six cylinder M3s (if you don't count the roadster). This was a 7/06 build.

Thanks for all the good wishes, all. Now I just wish I had a three-car garage...or at least my own driveway. Time to find a landscaping solution to our four-car, shared driveway (six cars, if you count the neighbors) problem.

[GregE_325]

Thanks everyone! I've done a little puttering around in the car this weekend, and am absolutely amazed at how well it handles. The steering just feels fantastic, with just the right amount of feel and feedback. The brakes have been spot-on, and very confidence-inspiring. Although I've been fairly gentle since the car is so new, I can only imagine what it will be like when it has a few more miles and is properly broken-in.

I've really been surprised at how solid the interior is for the car's price. The materials feel good, and everything works very precisely. It would be neat if the toggle switches were actually metal instead of plastic, but that's just my inner pilot talking who's used to metal toggles in airplanes. :)

And yes, that's a Valentine One plugged into the power socket on the dash. I've already been zapped a few times since yesterday. I guess around these parts a MINI zipping around may attract attention.

-- Greg

[Sharp11]

I've really been surprised at how solid the interior is for the car's price. The materials feel good, and everything works very precisely. It would be neat if the toggle switches were actually metal instead of plastic, but that's just my inner pilot talking who's used to metal toggles in airplanes. :)

-- Greg

With all the third party mods available for these cars, I wonder if there's a retrofit kit for metal toggle switches along with some other goodies :)

[Sharp11]

Indeed it is. Yet again. I guess three times' the charm. Oy! But it's a great car; I can't stop driving it. Of course it helps that it's 75 and sunny today. It's pretty amazing to have among the very last of the e46 M3s--and of the six cylinder M3s (if you don't count the roadster). This was a 7/06 build.

Thanks for all the good wishes, all. Now I just wish I had a three-car garage...or at least my own driveway. Time to find a landscaping solution to our four-car, shared driveway (six cars, if you count the neighbors) problem.

Awesome, mid 60's here today, top down of course - you're going to love this car, congrats :)

[wdc330i]

Awesome, mid 60's here today, top down of course - you're going to love this car, congrats :)

Already do. I'm more excited about this car than any other car I've gotten since I was in my 20s. (I might have been just as excited abobut my Accord Hatchback--but that was then.)

So, this car is a July '06 build. End of production was 8/06. One of the last of its kind.

[GregE_325]

With all the third party mods available for these cars, I wonder if there's a retrofit kit for metal toggle switches along with some other goodies :)


Hmm, that's a good idea! I'll have to poke around and see if I can find such critters. There are a few accessories I'm adding to my list to get, including the armrest (with its extra storage), as well as the nylon storage boxes that mount under the hatch cover.

Speaking of third party mods, does anyone know if there is an equivalent provider of decently priced MINI accessories, like Tischer or Pacific BMW does for BMWs? I had a few spare minutes last night and went around Googling, but couldn't decide on which companies were legitimate and which weren't. Maybe some more free time will pop up soon and I can do some calling around.

-- Greg

[zcasavant]

Um. Didn't buy the TiSilver/Cinnamon SMG. Bought this instead--but not for sticker:

http://vobbmw.com/BMW-Pre-Owned-Inventory.aspx?InventoryId=30722136

:D

Congrats! That car looks awesome.

[JST]

Hmm, that's a good idea! I'll have to poke around and see if I can find such critters. There are a few accessories I'm adding to my list to get, including the armrest (with its extra storage), as well as the nylon storage boxes that mount under the hatch cover.

Speaking of third party mods, does anyone know if there is an equivalent provider of decently priced MINI accessories, like Tischer or Pacific BMW does for BMWs? I had a few spare minutes last night and went around Googling, but couldn't decide on which companies were legitimate and which weren't. Maybe some more free time will pop up soon and I can do some calling around.

-- Greg

I've bought from Mini of Morristown's online shop, which isn't exactly "discount" but is at least relatively easy to use.

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?siteid=214217

[Sharp11]

Already do. I'm more excited about this car than any other car I've gotten since I was in my 20s. (I might have been just as excited abobut my Accord Hatchback--but that was then.)

So, this car is a July '06 build. End of production was 8/06. One of the last of its kind.

Yours is even newer than mine - mine came off the line 3/06.

The attention to detail with these things is really nice, doors slam with a solid thunk, interiors are nicely put together, paint is smooth and clear - the premium charged for convertibles seems justified.

My car shares the hood and front fenders with the coupe, but yours has no body panels in common - I think you and I share a rear trunk lid and windshield though :)

They're great cars built to a high standard - the M3 option is just icing on the cake.

Ed

[GregE_325]

I've bought from Mini of Morristown's online shop, which isn't exactly "discount" but is at least relatively easy to use.

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?siteid=214217

Thanks for the link! I could live with something "slightly more than discount". hahaha!! The local MINI dealer is still fairly new, and I've yet to see anyone working the parts area. In fact, it's pretty much empty besides some license plates hanging on a back wall. I have also yet to see any service advisors around, so hopefully there's an active service department when the time comes. :)

-- Greg

[SARAFIL]

Thanks for the link! I could live with something "slightly more than discount". hahaha!! The local MINI dealer is still fairly new, and I've yet to see anyone working the parts area. In fact, it's pretty much empty besides some license plates hanging on a back wall. I have also yet to see any service advisors around, so hopefully there's an active service department when the time comes. :)

-- Greg

Check on northamericanmotoring.com to see if there is a MINI club in your area. Many local MINI clubs have deals with local dealers for parts/labor discounts if you belong to the club.

[Sharp11]

To both Greg nd WDC, keep in mind if you guys are BMW CC members, you've got a discount coming - mine was 500 bucks (after filling out the necessary papers).

Ed

[GregE_325]

To both Greg nd WDC, keep in mind if you guys are BMW CC members, you've got a discount coming - mine was 500 bucks (after filling out the necessary papers).

Ed


I'm a CCA member, but I thought MINI's were excluded from the program. I've used it before when I bought my previous E46's. I'll go check and see if I can submit the MINI. That would be a nice little bonus.

-- Greg

[wdc330i]

To both Greg nd WDC, keep in mind if you guys are BMW CC members, you've got a discount coming - mine was 500 bucks (after filling out the necessary papers).

Ed

Thanks. Already done! A nice little rebate. Unfortunately I do think Minis are excluded from the program...

[TD]

Thanks. Already done! A nice little rebate. Unfortunately I do think Minis are excluded from the program...
I'm pondering checking out the black/cinnamon one, although I know I shouldn't.

Can you PM me with an idea of how far they moved on price? You can be vague if you want. I am just looking to get a rough sense.

[wdc330i]

I'm pondering checking out the black/cinnamon one, although I know I shouldn't.

Can you PM me with an idea of how far they moved on price? You can be vague if you want. I am just looking to get a rough sense.

Done.

Edit: Bet you could get a good deal on a rainy Monday...

[TD]

Done.
Thanks.

[TD]

Done.

Edit: Bet you could get a good deal on a rainy Monday...
LOL.

Um, no.

I still have to sell myself on the (prudent) feasibility of the idea. Strangely, I'm not getting "are you nuts?" from my spouse.

Then again, I'm proposing this as a buy and hold indefinitely car and if we were to do that, it would make a lot more sense to do it with a car like this than a cheap, beat-to-shit older copy.

The problem is that I'd probably never get to drive it. I'd end up with the wagon.

[JST]

LOL.

Um, no.

I still have to sell myself on the (prudent) feasibility of the idea. Strangely, I'm not getting "are you nuts?" from my spouse.

Then again, I'm proposing this as a buy and hold indefinitely car and if we were to do that, it would make a lot more sense to do it with a car like this than a cheap, beat-to-shit older copy.

The problem is that I'd probably never get to drive it. I'd end up with the wagon.

That sounds about right. But that just gives you an excuse to start shopping for a wagon replacement sooner rather than later.

[TD]

That sounds about right. But that just gives you an excuse to start shopping for a wagon replacement sooner rather than later.
I really like having the wagon. The AWD, the roof rails for our bike rack, and the relatively decent gas mileage really make it a keeper for its role.

[JST]

I really like having the wagon. The AWD, the roof rails for our bike rack, and the relatively decent gas mileage really make it a keeper for its role.

Ah, so you shouldn't have any problem driving it every day. :)

At least the wagon is more fun to drive than the E39, I suspect.

[wdc330i]

A wagon and a four-seater convertible are an ideal combo for the family of four. :)

[TD]

Ah, so you shouldn't have any problem driving it every day. :)

At least the wagon is more fun to drive than the E39, I suspect.
A lot more fun. Quicker too.

[Plaz]

A lot more fun. Quicker too.

You're a beaten man, Tom. :lol:

[TD]

You're a beaten man, Tom. :lol:
And I sometimes sit down to pee.

What's your point?

[Theo]

Remember, I have the latest BT module in the E39 that I could move over.

TD how does the version 13 module work with your 3Gs? I am still having an issue or two with mine.

[TD]

My wife just went by without me to check it out and it has a sold sign on it.

Damn.

UPDATE- Sold sight-unseen to a guy from NY.

[SCA]

My wife just went by without me to check it out and it has a sold sign on it.

Damn.

UPDATE- Sold sight-unseen to a guy from NY.


That was quick!

[wdc330i]

Just got a call from Nan telling me the car was gone...sorry, TD.

[TD]

Just got a call from Nan telling me the car was gone...sorry, TD.
We talked to Nan.

I just tried a search on bmwusa.com and there is not a single CPO '06 M3C 6-spd w/NAV for sale anywhere in the country, regardless of color.

And per the CarFax, that one had been there since January.

Why does shit always sell the second I get interested in it? I was almost to the point of fully rationalizing buying it. I was moving funds around in my head.

The problem now is, with the weather getting nicer, there won't be any deals to be had at least until fall.

Ah well...

EDIT- I removed the NAV search criteria and there are only 2 6-spds within 200 mi, one of them the sold black and cinnamon one.

[Josh (PA)]

Ooo... If I was only willing to spend this much.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=c&car_id=274178164

wdc, was this one there when you bought yours yesterday?

If you were willing to spend that much, does it open the door for newer 987s or 996s? If so would you rather have a Porshce or M3 at this point? The m3 fits the family much better, the Porsche fits the soul...

[TD]

If you were willing to spend that much, does it open the door for newer 987s or 996s? If so would you rather have a Porshce or M3 at this point? The m3 fits the family much better, the Porsche fits the soul...
For a bunch of reasons, a Porsche is really a non-starter at the moment.

[wdc330i]

We talked to Nan.

I just tried a search on bmwusa.com and there is not a single CPO '06 M3C 6-spd w/NAV for sale anywhere in the country, regardless of color.

And per the CarFax, that one had been there since January.

Why does shit always sell the second I get interested in it? I was almost to the point of fully rationalizing buying it. I was moving funds around in my head.

The problem now is, with the weather getting nicer, there won't be any deals to be had at least until fall.

Ah well...

EDIT- I removed the NAV search criteria and there are only 2 6-spds within 200 mi, one of them the sold black and cinnamon one.

Shouldn't some four year leases be coming to an end?

[JST]

The problem now is, with the weather getting nicer, there won't be any deals to be had at least until fall.


True. But if you let that stop you, you'll miss a whole season of top-down motoring...and since '06 was the last year of the E46 M3 (wasn't it?), you'll miss that car entirely and have to settle for an E90 335Ci.

[equ]

+1. Prices don't drop in the fall. They start dropping in the fall and drop through the winter.

[wdc330i]

True. But if you let that stop you, you'll miss a whole season of top-down motoring...and since '06 was the last year of the E46 M3 (wasn't it?), you'll miss that car entirely and have to settle for an E90 335Ci.

I think I'd be scared to own one of the hardtop 3 convertibles. Lease, yes. Try to own for the duration? Probably not. Plus that trunk holds nothing! The M3 has decent space for a drop top.

[TD]

I think I'd be scared to own one of the hardtop 3 convertibles. Lease, yes. Try to own for the duration? Probably not. Plus that trunk holds nothing! The M3 has decent space for a drop top.
The guy who is selling the black and red one we checked out was complaining about the lack of trunk space in his new M3 vert. It seems like it really is an issue.

I'm still looking. There is a private party example for sale in Herndon that incidentally is black/cinnamon/6-spd/NAV with slightly lower miles and asking $33k.I've emailed the seller and plan to check it out. My only concern is that they installed a blacked-out grill and side vents and the pictures are crappy enough that I wonder if they're hiding anything else.

But if I could get it for $30k, it might be worth foregoing the relatively useless CPO warranty.

Here's the ad- http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=33762921&listingRecNum=24&criteria=sf1Dir%3DDESC%26mkId%3D20005%26stkTyp%3DU %26mdId%3D21392%26rd%3D250%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-yrId%26zc%3D20850%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dpric e%26yrId%3D20144%26yrId%3D20199%26yrId%3D20143%26s f2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national

[wdc330i]

The guy who is selling the black and red one we checked out was complaining about the lack of trunk space in his new M3 vert. It seems like it really is an issue.

I'm still looking. There is a private party example for sale in Herndon that incidentally is black/cinnamon/6-spd/NAV with slightly lower miles and asking $33k.I've emailed the seller and plan to check it out. My only concern is that they installed a blacked-out grill and side vents and the pictures are crappy enough that I wonder if they're hiding anything else.

But if I could get it for $30k, it might be worth foregoing the relatively useless CPO warranty.

Here's the ad- http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=33762921&listingRecNum=24&criteria=sf1Dir%3DDESC%26mkId%3D20005%26stkTyp%3DU %26mdId%3D21392%26rd%3D250%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-yrId%26zc%3D20850%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dpric e%26yrId%3D20144%26yrId%3D20199%26yrId%3D20143%26s f2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national

Worth checking out.

[TD]

Worth checking out.
I asked some questions via email and didn't really get any answers in the email response.

I'm not heading way out there if I don't. I re-asked. We'll see.

I also want to make sure they held on to the original grill and side vents. I'm not driving around in some silly-ass blacked out grill car.

[Sharp11]

The guy who is selling the black and red one we checked out was complaining about the lack of trunk space in his new M3 vert. It seems like it really is an issue.

I'm still looking. There is a private party example for sale in Herndon that incidentally is black/cinnamon/6-spd/NAV with slightly lower miles and asking $33k.I've emailed the seller and plan to check it out. My only concern is that they installed a blacked-out grill and side vents and the pictures are crappy enough that I wonder if they're hiding anything else.

But if I could get it for $30k, it might be worth foregoing the relatively useless CPO warranty.

Here's the ad- http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=33762921&listingRecNum=24&criteria=sf1Dir%3DDESC%26mkId%3D20005%26stkTyp%3DU %26mdId%3D21392%26rd%3D250%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-yrId%26zc%3D20850%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dpric e%26yrId%3D20144%26yrId%3D20199%26yrId%3D20143%26s f2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national

You could always put a stock grill back in.

Also, order the carfax.

[SARAFIL]

You could always put a stock grill back in.

Also, order the carfax.


Front bumper looks like is has a big scrape on the pass front lip and also in front of the front tire.

[TD]

You could always put a stock grill back in.

Also, order the carfax.
Both on the agenda. I'd order up a CarFax if she (he?) would send me the f-ing VIN like I asked.

[TD]

Front bumper looks like is has a big scrape on the pass front lip and also in front of the front tire.
If that's the extent of it's cosmetic problems, it's no problem.

I always worry about the owners that do the cheesy cosmetic mods. I always mentally associate them with folks that do not properly maintain their cars.

[SCA]

I think I'd be scared to own one of the hardtop 3 convertibles. Lease, yes. Try to own for the duration? Probably not. Plus that trunk holds nothing! The M3 has decent space for a drop top.

Imagine what a nightmare it is to repair when one is hit hard with the top down. A local doctor had this happen to his new 335i vert. His insurance totaled the car as the entire hardtop assembly needed to be replaced. He purchased a E60 M5 to replace it.

[SARAFIL]

If that's the extent of it's cosmetic problems, it's no problem.

I always worry about the owners that do the cheesy cosmetic mods. I always mentally associate them with folks that do not properly maintain their cars.

I would bet that there is a statistically significant relationship there too.

[wdc330i]

Imagine what a nightmare it is to repair when one is hit hard with the top down. A local doctor had this happen to his new 335i vert. His insurance totaled the car as the entire hardtop assembly needed to be replaced. He purchased a E60 M5 to replace it.

Alas, that's very easy to imagine.

[wdc330i]

If that's the extent of it's cosmetic problems, it's no problem.

I always worry about the owners that do the cheesy cosmetic mods. I always mentally associate them with folks that do not properly maintain their cars.

Can't remember if this is one of the verboten color combos. No NAV, and a strange ownership history, but otherwise looks okay. A schlep away in Nashville, tho.

http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/cpo/modelsearch.aspx?enc=/eiUrYOZAxtXbrazY6tfkn/pNQD1A9N8mrEH1nMOD5CN+CC20RsVDJyYaSi3jPOrheIEXwJp6 b/RMTlkJFDH0xEp+kV7vIm/QrRHN3hnniiV3mi+OdfmJUzz4yYtqk4H

[Theo]

I always worry about the owners that do the cheesy cosmetic mods. I always mentally associate them with folks that do not properly maintain their cars.

Definetly not always the case. Had a black grill on my E36 and now on the E39. Hell a black grill is stock on the 2010 335is. I fix and maintain everything on my cars.

Was putting clear corner lens on your 01 330i "cheesy" and should people have worried about that non stock appearence when looking to buy your car?

[SCA]

Can't remember if this is one of the verboten color combos. No NAV, and a strange ownership history, but otherwise looks okay. A schlep away in Nashville, tho.


Maybe a long drive, but Southwest flies to Nashville. BTW, BMW Nashville is owned by Sonic Automotive.

http://www.sonicautomotive.com/index.htm?client=safari&rls=en&q=sonic+automotive&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

[Sharp11]

If that's the extent of it's cosmetic problems, it's no problem.

I always worry about the owners that do the cheesy cosmetic mods. I always mentally associate them with folks that do not properly maintain their cars.

I'd be more concerned about an owner who doesn't answer your queries ;)

There's a fella at the fest that put in a black grill - he's a professor of structural engineering at UNH and is a complete fuss pot with his e92. So, the stereotype doesn't always work.

Ed

[Sharp11]

Btw, I had nav in my 05 Z4 and while I liked it, it wasn't nearly the nav system that's in our Infiniti - I wouldn't make factory nav a prerequisite on this car, just throw in a Garmin or if you're really fixed on it, get a good enough deal where retrofitting a factory head unit makes sense (all the wiring's there).

[equ]

Yeah, I had the dvd nav on one of my e46's... Wondering why you're even bothering. Only useful as a display for the icelink.

[TD]

I really only want it to improve the look of the dash. And since we're talking used, where nav is more or less free, I figure why not hold out for it.

[JST]

Does Nav make XM integration more difficult? I can't remember whether the XM Commander works with nav or not.

I had one E46 with nav and several without it, and I actually kind of preferred the non-nav dash.

[wdc330i]

Does Nav make XM integration more difficult? I can't remember whether the XM Commander works with nav or not.

I had one E46 with nav and several without it, and I actually kind of preferred the non-nav dash.

I think there was something about Sirius vs Nav. At any rate, I agree with you. I think the Nav makes the dash look more dated. BTW, a twilight zone thing--the buttons on the radio/hvac console are moved around vs my 2003/2002/2001 e46s. Very strange.

[SARAFIL]

I think there was something about Sirius vs Nav. At any rate, I agree with you. I think the Nav makes the dash look more dated. BTW, a twilight zone thing--the buttons on the radio/hvac console are moved around vs my 2003/2002/2001 e46s. Very strange.

Yeah, I recall that they did that at least once (if not twice)... moving the buttons into a different position just because they could. I guess the guy in charge of that part of the dash had to change something that year in order to keep his job.

[TD]

Fil-

Do you still have Galves access? I'd be curious to know wholesale prices on '06 M3 verts.

[wdc330i]

Fil-

Do you still have Galves access? I'd be curious to know wholesale prices on '06 M3 verts.

Me, too. Although it will probably just piss me off. Still, I think I got a decent deal for retail. Hmm. I'm gonna guess $26 to $28k at auction?

[SARAFIL]

Fil-

Do you still have Galves access? I'd be curious to know wholesale prices on '06 M3 verts.


I don't have it anymore. My old login and password for Galves and Manheim was finally disabled a few months ago. :irate:

[TD]

I don't have it anymore. My old login and password for Galves and Manheim was finally disabled a few months ago. :irate:
There's a guy I went to high school with (MANY years ago) who I'm connected to on LinkedIn and Facebook and who lists his current job as "General Sales Manager at Manheim Auto Auctions, Pennsylvania".

I'm pondering reaching out to him to see about getting a car at auction. I know I can't directly attend but I'm curious what could be worked out, making it worth the effort on his part as well as mine.

[TD]

Me, too. Although it will probably just piss me off. Still, I think I got a decent deal for retail. Hmm. I'm gonna guess $26 to $28k at auction?
Yeah, I'd think retail for a given example (options/condition/etc) minus ~$8k.

[ZBB]

There's a guy I went to high school with (MANY years ago) who I'm connected to on LinkedIn and Facebook and who lists his current job as "General Sales Manager at Manheim Auto Auctions, Pennsylvania".

I'm pondering reaching out to him to see about getting a car at auction. I know I can't directly attend but I'm curious what could be worked out, making it worth the effort on his part as well as mine.

A very good friend of mine used to own a wholesale auto business from ~94-99. His focus was mostly on Volvos -- he found an arbitrage opportunity where he could buy used Volvos in the NYC area, and sell them in AZ, CA and WA for $500-$1000 more after transportation cost, and he built up a customer base of used and new dealerships. But he closed up shop when the arbitrage margin dropped after a couple years. But fora while he was doing this on 20-30 cars per month and did quite well for himself.

He also would hit the auctions at least once a month and would usually buy 1-2 cars if he could get the right price at auction. But he had a wholesale dealers license.

He offered to help me out on getting a car at auction once and he looked around for a couple things I was interested in. It didn't work out, but what he would have done is bought the car at auction wholesale and then had one of his retail dealer customers sell the car to me, essentially at cost plus a small fee for their bother (likely would have been $250 or so)...

Your Mannheim friend may be able to help coordinate something like that...

[zcasavant]

A very good friend of mine used to own a wholesale auto business from ~94-99. His focus was mostly on Volvos -- he found an arbitrage opportunity where he could buy used Volvos in the NYC area, and sell them in AZ, CA and WA for $500-$1000 more after transportation cost, and he built up a customer base of used and new dealerships. But he closed up shop when the arbitrage margin dropped after a couple years. But fora while he was doing this on 20-30 cars per month and did quite well for himself.

He also would hit the auctions at least once a month and would usually buy 1-2 cars if he could get the right price at auction. But he had a wholesale dealers license.

He offered to help me out on getting a car at auction once and he looked around for a couple things I was interested in. It didn't work out, but what he would have done is bought the car at auction wholesale and then had one of his retail dealer customers sell the car to me, essentially at cost plus a small fee for their bother (likely would have been $250 or so)...

Your Mannheim friend may be able to help coordinate something like that...

When I was growing up, my dad would buy his cars from the local used car dealer. Over the years, they became pretty friendly and the owner of the dealership would just ask my dad what he wanted and go and get it for him at auction.

[wdc330i]

There's a guy I went to high school with (MANY years ago) who I'm connected to on LinkedIn and Facebook and who lists his current job as "General Sales Manager at Manheim Auto Auctions, Pennsylvania".

I'm pondering reaching out to him to see about getting a car at auction. I know I can't directly attend but I'm curious what could be worked out, making it worth the effort on his part as well as mine.

Wow! Perfect.