Interesting Caymans / Boxsters

[rumatt]

In case anyone else is interested... Here's a thread


Silver 981 Cayman S with PTV and PASM

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourc eContext=carGurusHomePage_false_0&formSourceTag=112&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c21614&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c25038&zip=10562&distance=50000&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=165077394

220
Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV)
400
19-inch Boxster S wheels
475
Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM)
840
SportDesign steering wheel
AG
Partial leather Sport seats in Black
S2
Rhodium Silver Metallic

[rumatt]

Gray 981 Cayman PASM, no PTV. I'm kind of digging this one but power steering plus seems like a loser.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourc eContext=carGurusHomePage_false_0&formSourceTag=112&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c21614&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c25038&zip=10562&distance=50000&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=168305860

20" Carrera S Wheels
446
Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest
475
Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM)
480
Manual transmission
583
Smoking package
603
Bi-Xenon? headlights incl. Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)
639
Sport Chrono Package
658
Power Steering Plus
840
SportDesign steering wheel
980
Leather Package
N0
Agate Grey Metallic
P06
Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package
P9B
Premium Package i.c.w. Power Sport Seats (14-way)
PV
Leather Package in Agate Grey/Pebble Grey
XDH
Wheels Painted in Platinum Satin

[rumatt]

Silver 981 boxster with PTV and PASM, but hideous brown top and steering wheel

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourc eContext=carGurusHomePage_false_0&formSourceTag=112&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c21613&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c24115&zip=10023&distance=50000&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=162491452

Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV)
423
20-inch Carrera S wheel
450
PCCB
475
PASM
603
Bi-Xenon(TM) headlights with Porsche Dynamic Light System (P
639
Sport Chrono Package
6V
Roadster Top in Brown
998
Leather interior in natural leather
CGU
Headlight cln cvrs pnt dev clr
DBR
Exterior package painted
EEB
Mahogany interior package (with leather interior/with manual
NE
Espresso natural leather int
U2
GT Silver Metallic
XHF
Multi-function steering wheel Mahogany incl. steering-wheel
XHG
Center console trim Mahogany
XLS
Sports tailpipe

[rumatt]

Black 981 with PASM

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourc eContext=carGurusHomePage_false_0&formSourceTag=112&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c21614&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c23893&zip=10023&distance=50000&searchChanged=true&transmission=M&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=167960608

Steering wheel heating
423
20-inch Carrera S wheels
446
Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest
475
Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM)
603
Bi-Xenon™ Headlights incl. Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)
640
Sport Chrono Package (i.c.w. PCM)
658
Power Steering Plus
844
Multi-function Steering Wheel
CG
Partial leather Sport seats in Platinum Grey
P06
Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package
P9B
Premium Package i.c.w. Power Sport Seats (14-way)
P9G
Infotainment Package with BOSE® Surround Sound System
XSH
Seat belts in Silver Grey
Z4
Basalt Black Metallic

[rumatt]

Black 987.2 Cayman with LSD

http://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=447839953&zip=10512&endYear=2012&pageLayout=list&sortBy=distanceASC&startYear=2009&searchRadius=0&transmissionGroup=MAN&mmt=%5BPOR%5BCAYMAN%5BCAYMAN%7CS%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D

Limit Slip Rear Different Lock
288
Headlight Washers
388
Sports bucket seats (left)
389
Sports bucket seat (right)
419
19" Carrera S II Wheel
425
Rear Window Wiper
603
Bi-Xenon Headlights incl.Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)
605
Daytime Running Lights
680
BOSE(R) Surround Sound System
AP
Black Sport Seats in Leather
P03
Sport Bucket Seats
P75
Bi-Xenon(TM)w/CorneringLights
Z4
Basalt Black Metallic

[JST]

Buy the 987.2 with LSD.

[bren]

Buy the 987.2 with LSD.

They got the diff, but not the good seats or sport chrono. Porsche people are odd.

Edit:
Wait a minute. Did you run the vin to get those codes? Because that car doesn't look like it has the 'P03" seats. :scratch:

[wdc330i]

I don't mind the brown top. :dunno:

I think I'd have a preference for buying something with some warranty left. And I'd rather by from a Porsche dealer or a reliable enthusiast private seller.

Like, potentially, this dude: http://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/978879-15-boxster-s-manual-ptv-sc-atlanta-ga.html

[equ]

I have power steering plus. I thought I might mind it but was comforted by the "switchable on/off by software" option. To be honest, I haven't thought much about it. It is light at lower speeds, but not annoying like an Audi or badly programmed. It doesn't kill the car. I guess one day I might have it turned off, I had literally forgotten about it until this thread.

[equ]

Buy the 987.2 with LSD.

I think it's overpriced for 47k miles.

[equ]

Brown top is nice, but you don't even want a boxster? Or do you now?

[equ]

The silver/brown boxster is an awesome build to my eyes and very similar to mine. You will need to check out how truly clean the car is and paint meter it. It is at a third party dealer.

The cayman doesn't come up.

[wdc330i]

The silver/brown boxster is an awesome build to my eyes and very similar to mine. You will need to check out how truly clean the car is and paint meter it. It is at a third party dealer.

The cayman doesn't come up.

looking at it again, it's pretty gorgeous.

[JST]

I think it's overpriced for 47k miles.

Actually I agree on that.

I like the brown top. I forgot about how frustrating looking at used Boxsters/Caymans is, because WHY DOES EVERYONE ORDER THESE CARS IN SILVER/BLACK/GREY.

Ugh.

The brown top at least adds some visual interest. The woodgrain in the interior, OTOH, is terrible.

[Jeff_DML]

They got the diff, but not the good seats or sport chrono. Porsche people are odd.

Edit:
Wait a minute. Did you run the vin to get those codes? Because that car doesn't look like it has the 'P03" seats. :scratch:

that is the problem about giving people so many options to choose from.

give someone enough rope...:D

[Theo]

I don't mind the wood. If it were the non glossy type that would better but it looks ok.

[wdc330i]

I don't mind the wood. If it were the non glossy type that would better but it looks ok.

Agreed.

[rumatt]

Wait a minute. Did you run the vin to get those codes? Because that car doesn't look like it has the 'P03" seats. :scratch:

I ran them all through this VIN decoder https://www.vindecoderz.com/EN/Porsche

Can that be trusted?

Trying to read a porsche ad and understand which options the car has is maddening. The sites almost always list the 1001 standard features and often don't even mention the key options anywhere.

[bren]

Here's a link for the Porsche factory build sheet.
http://admin.porschedealer.com/reports/build_sheets/print.php?vin=WP0AB2A89CS780071

Must've sold off the seats.

[equ]

I ran them all through this VIN decoder https://www.vindecoderz.com/EN/Porsche

Can that be trusted?



One data point, it seems to work on my 2013 car.

[rumatt]

JV, want a second 2011 Yellow Boxster S?

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=449216552

Something's fishy at that price. Auto Check says "7 incidents found" :speechle:

AUTOMATICALLY DIMMING INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR MIRRORS
268
RAIN SENSOR
288
HEADLIGHT WASHERS
342
Heated Seats (Front)
345
Heated Steering Wheel
446
WhlCtrsw/FullcolorPorscheCrest
498
Deletion of Model Designation
551
Wind Deflector
573
Automatic Climate Control
603
BI-XENON HEADLIGHTS INCL.PORSCHE DYNAMIC LIGHT SYSTEM (PDLS)
605
DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS
665
PORSCHE COMMUNICATION MANAGEMENT (PCM)
672
NAVIGATION MODULE FOR PCM
680
BOSE(R) Surround Sound System
686
XM(R) Satellite Radio Receiver
DC
Stone Grey Standard Leather
P4H
Convenience Package
P4W
Infotainment Package for BOSE
V9
Soft Top in Black
X4
Speed Yellow
XMK
Roll Bar Paint Exterior Color
XSC
Porsche Crest Emboss Headrest
XSY
Seat Belts in Speed Yellow

[John V]

No full leather no sale ☺️

[bren]

http://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/979195-fs-2012-cayman-r-very-low-miles.html

Is every modern Porsche PDK?

http://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/973384-14-cayman-s-x73-17k-pdk-cpo-till-2020-a.html

[rumatt]

No full leather no sale ☺️
Like red leather? :speechle:

http://autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=423640155

Carrera Red Natural Leather
Heated Front Seats
Wheel Caps with Colored Crest
Seat Ventilation
Porsche Windstop (Deflector)
Automatic Climate Control
Bose High End Sound Package
Remote CD Changer (6 Disc)
Floor Mats in Interior Color
Universal Audio Interface
Leather Interior Natural Lthr
Black
Black Top

I think I secretly kind of like it. I find all non-black Porsche steering wheels to be hideous.

[Sharp11]

Like red leather? :speechle:

I think I secretly kind of like it. I find all non-black Porsche steering wheels to be hideous, but it it bothered me enough I could replace it.

Black over red was a classic in the 60's - my mom had a 62 ford falcon coupe, black over red with bucket seats with white pinstriping ... a popular combo very early to mid 60's. :)

Falcons were the underpinnings of Mustangs and actually command decent prices now on the collector market, who knew?

[JST]

The red is a little much but at least it adds some visual interest. Replacing the steering wheel and shift knob/boot would go a long way.

And according to the ad, this is a rare 8 cylinder Boxster.

[John V]

Red leather isn't the deal killer for me - that would be the black paint. I can't do black cars. Too much work to keep them looking good.

But yeah, the red leather is a bit much.

[equ]

My GT silver/red car creates visual interest. It manages to come together, look modern as well as look classic/356 in a 50's color scheme kind of way.

I'm so much happier with it than in a black interior. Either a natural brown, a cocoa brown, a terracotta or the red match the blacks/silvers/gray.

[equ]

Like red leather? :speechle:

http://autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=423640155

Carrera Red Natural Leather
Heated Front Seats
Wheel Caps with Colored Crest
Seat Ventilation
Porsche Windstop (Deflector)
Automatic Climate Control
Bose High End Sound Package
Remote CD Changer (6 Disc)
Floor Mats in Interior Color
Universal Audio Interface
Leather Interior Natural Lthr
Black
Black Top

I think I secretly kind of like it. I find all non-black Porsche steering wheels to be hideous.

Nice car for a nice price (though black is not my thing, red picks it up). Base suspension and seats though. On 987's bases suspension is going to be much more popular, but having owned two 987's and one 997, I'd still make either sports seats for the bolster/visual flair or the power seats (for the memory/lumbar) a requirement pour moi.

[wdc330i]

Something to buy while you're waiting around for the perfect Boxster/Cayman: http://jalopnik.com/the-volkswagen-golf-r-is-worth-it-1792987328

[kognito]

JV, want a second 2011 Yellow Boxster S?

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=449216552

Something's fishy at that price. Auto Check says "7 incidents found" :speechle:



listing now has a carfax, and accident reported

[rumatt]

EDIT: Already sold

987.2 Cayman S. One owner, low mile, clean carfax
No fancy options.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=452122382

Heated Front Seats
19" Carrera S II wheel
Bluetooth Interface for Mobile Phone
Bose High End Sound Package
Floor Mats in Interior Color
Universal Audio Interface
Meteor Grey Metallic
Stone Grey Standard Leather
Power Seat Package
BiXenon Headlights w/Dyn Cornr

Does power seats imply memory? Or do you only get memory with the Premium package, or some nonsense? (porsche options are nuts)

[wdc330i]

Loaded Boxster S. https://porschelouisville.com/inventory/certified/Porsche+Boxster+S+Louisville+Kentucky+2013+Platinu m+Silver+Metallic+1037300

Edit: and one with a stick https://leithporsche.com/inventory/all/Porsche+Boxster+S+Cary+North+Carolina+2014+Dark+Bl ue+Metallic+983327

[rumatt]

Too rich for my blood.

[equ]

EDIT: Already sold

987.2 Cayman S. One owner, low mile, clean carfax
No fancy options.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=452122382

Heated Front Seats
19" Carrera S II wheel
Bluetooth Interface for Mobile Phone
Bose High End Sound Package
Floor Mats in Interior Color
Universal Audio Interface
Meteor Grey Metallic
Stone Grey Standard Leather
Power Seat Package
BiXenon Headlights w/Dyn Cornr

Does power seats imply memory? Or do you only get memory with the Premium package, or some nonsense? (porsche options are nuts)

Yes, power seats imply memory on every 987, 997, 981 and 991 I've encountered. Except on the GT4. Go figure.

That looks like a nice car for a nice price. I don't think you "need" as many fancy options on a 987S.

[rumatt]

Yes, power seats imply memory on every 987, 997, 981 and 991 I've encountered. Except on the GT4. Go figure.
Cool, thanks.
That looks like a nice car for a nice price. I don't think you "need" as many fancy options on a 987S.
I was ready. I emailed them yesterday asking if I could do a PPI and they told me it sold that morning.

[equ]

Helps you know the price point.

[clyde]

EDIT: Already sold



Congrats!

:celebrat:

:eeps:

[rumatt]

It's out of my price range, but if anyone is looking for a boxster GTS this is 20 miles from my house.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourc eContext=carGurusHomePage_false_0&formSourceTag=112&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c21613&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c24467&zip=10512&distance=50000&searchChanged=true&colors=Blue&colors=Gray&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=168406553

[Alan]

Congrats!

:celebrat:

:eeps:

Someone's got some frustration going on here :D

[rumatt]

2010 987.2 Cayman Base (2.9) But with PASM and Diff. And BRIGHT RED.

Overpriced at $33K and 50K miles, but a beautiful car.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=444235000

Limited Slip Rear Differential Lock
Heated Front Seats
18" Boxster S II wheel
PASM
Sound Package Plus
Automatic Climate Control
Bluetooth Interface for Mobile Phone
Sport Chrono Pkg W/Out PCM
Floor Mats in Interior Color
Universal Audio Interface
Black Sport Seats
Guards Red
BiXenon Headlights w/Dyn Cornr
Leather Sport Seats

[clyde]

2010 987.2 Cayman Base (2.9) But with PASM and Diff. And BRIGHT RED.

Overpriced at $33K and 50K miles, but a beautiful car.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=444235000

Limited Slip Rear Differential Lock
Heated Front Seats
18" Boxster S II wheel
PASM
Sound Package Plus
Automatic Climate Control
Bluetooth Interface for Mobile Phone
Sport Chrono Pkg W/Out PCM
Floor Mats in Interior Color
Universal Audio Interface
Black Sport Seats
Guards Red
BiXenon Headlights w/Dyn Cornr
Leather Sport Seats

Dude, you're buying a lot of cars.

[wdc330i]

Do Porsches have the Takata airbag recall? If so, I'd stay away from a Florida car of this vintage, if it's been there its whole life.

Otherwise nice car.

Edit: in Mid-Atlantic until 2104...

[rumatt]

Do Porsches have the Takata airbag recall? If so, I'd stay away from a Florida car of this vintage, if it's been there its whole life.

My goodness, is every car on the planet affected by them? I didn't realize it hit Porsche too.

[wdc330i]

My goodness, is every car on the planet affected by them? I didn't realize it hit Porsche too.

Actually, I don't seee that Porsches are affected.

[equ]

The base 2.9 is a sweet drive, but I doubt it'll satisfy Matt after so long a wait. Beautifully balanced, no carbon build-up but with the good bearing set-up (not direct injected) this motor is torquier, slightly, than the 981 base and lower geared. I'd be happy with one as well. Very rare for the 2.9 to have a diff not to mention even any 987.2, it was a rare option. Nice that the diff is mechanical and bound up with PTV, brakes guiding you in as they are in the 981/991. I guess we all have our favorite years to stop the technology clock.

[rumatt]

2 owner 987.2 cayman in red, PASM, diff and sport seats

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=432190951

Limited Slip Rear Differential Lock
19" Carrera S II wheel (Has 20's now)
PASM
Automatic Climate Control
Bluetooth Interface for Mobile Phone
Sport Chrono Pkg W/Out PCM
Floor Mats in Interior Color
Universal Audio Interface
Black Sport Seats
Side Strips with Model Designation
Guards Red
BiXenon Headlights w/Dyn Cornr
Leather Sport Seats
Sport Shifter
Wheels Painted Black
Seat Belts - Guards Red

[lemming]

2 owner 987.2 cayman in red, PASM, diff and sport seats

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=432190951

Limited Slip Rear Differential Lock
19" Carrera S II wheel (Has 20's now)
PASM
Automatic Climate Control
Bluetooth Interface for Mobile Phone
Sport Chrono Pkg W/Out PCM
Floor Mats in Interior Color
Universal Audio Interface
Black Sport Seats
Side Strips with Model Designation
Guards Red
BiXenon Headlights w/Dyn Cornr
Leather Sport Seats
Sport Shifter
Wheels Painted Black
Seat Belts - Guards Red

Sweet car.

And that engine is really fun.

Curious what you think about the DFI flat six versus the boxer turbo four.

[rumatt]

Curious what you think about the DFI flat six versus the boxer turbo four.

I've never driven the 718. I tried today but they didn't have any.

I was at a dealer driving this 981 Cayman with PASM and diff. (https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourc eContext=carGurusHomePage_false_0&formSourceTag=104&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d993&zip=10023#listing=170893492) My conclusion was that I liked the car, but I can't do a 981 with the base seats. They lack of lumbar support is a no-go. Nice car otherwise, although the previous owner replaced the sport exhaust with an aftermarket and it's loud AF.

The highway I rode on during the test drive sucked, with nice bumps every so often. There was a noticeable difference with the PASM on and off. I liked it. But the seats were a deal-breaker.

[John V]

Do base 981 seats not have adjustable lumbar support?

[Josh (PA)]

http://www.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1348811

Stay blue and white.

[rumatt]

Do base 981 seats not have adjustable lumbar support?
Shit. Do they!?

Does yours have it?


EDIT: Googling suggests the 981 base seats don't have lumbar.

[equ]

No they don't. I skipped seats without adjustable lumbar as well. Options:

Base seats.
Sports (manual) seats: bolstered & no lumbar. A bit thinner & lighter?
14-way seats: lumbar, memory and more angles, but look like base
18-way seats: lumbar, memory, adjustable bolsters, look like sports. A bit thinner than 14-ways but more motors.

The spec on the red car is excellent. Unless you're a track purist snob, PASM+diff is going to be great in the real world.

For me, even with my L4 L5 lumbar issues, if the right spec came along I would have taken a sports seated car and just use a mini pillow. I just will not have base seats again (which I had in my atlas gray that I had for 5 years).

[equ]

Z4MC is no comparison to a 2009+ cayman S. At all. And I say that as a e46M/s54 owner. The handling, composure, porsche sound & feel, the front end...

[equ]

Here is a fairly priced one if you can swing yellow:

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/320361

[lemming]

New 981 body style is awesome looking.

[rumatt]

For me, even with my L4 L5 lumbar issues, if the right spec came along I would have taken a sports seated car and just use a mini pillow. I just will not have base seats again (which I had in my atlas gray that I had for 5 years).

Why was the sport so much better than base?

I sat in a 14-way 718 while waiting for the 981 test drive, and the 14-way seats were amazing. Getting in the 981 with the base seats was a big disappointment.

If the sport seats don't offer any more lumbar, I will rule them out for sure.

[rumatt]

Here is a fairly priced one if you can swing yellow:

https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/320361

I was leaning 987.2, but if that car were gray or dark blue I'd be looking for my checkbook.

I'm considering it despite the yellow.

[Alan]

I was leaning 987.2, but if that car were gray or dark blue I'd be looking for my checkbook.

I'm considering it despite the yellow.

Looks good except the warranty is running out and they are insanely expensive .... I extended mine and it ran me around $5k

[Josh (PA)]

Z4MC is no comparison to a 2009+ cayman S. At all. And I say that as a e46M/s54 owner. The handling, composure, porsche sound & feel, the front end...

I don't agree with this. I've spent a lot of time in a 987.2 base. (I know you're saying Cayman hard top and S engine, I'm sure they both make an improvement in performance capabilities, but...) Everytime I get out of it, I am very, very happy to get back in my 135.

I think Matt likes the idea of a Porsche much more than the reality of it. I've yet to read a glowing review from him on any of the *many* test drives he has gone on. I think the z4m is much more in line with his car feel preference.

I almost feel dirty posting this, as the love on here for anything Porsche is only overshadowed by the Tesla craze. I feel like I *should* worship boxsters and 911s and every one I see, I want to want them. I guess I'm just the board heretic. Feel free to burn me at the stake.

[lemming]

I don't agree with this. I've spent a lot of time in a 987.2 base. (I know you're saying Cayman hard top and S engine, I'm sure they both make an improvement in performance capabilities, but...) Everytime I get out of it, I am very, very happy to get back in my 135.

I think Matt likes the idea of a Porsche much more than the reality of it. I've yet to read a glowing review from him on any of the *many* test drives he has gone on. I think the z4m is much more in line with his car feel preference.

I almost feel dirty posting this, as the love on here for anything Porsche is only overshadowed by the Tesla craze. I feel like I *should* worship boxsters and 911s and every one I see, I want to want them. I guess I'm just the board heretic. Feel free to burn me at the stake.

maybe so.

but since both are options, this is fun as a conversation.

[rumatt]

I think Matt likes the idea of a Porsche much more than the reality of it. I've yet to read a glowing review from him on any of the *many* test drives he has gone on. I think the z4m is much more in line with his car feel preference.

I almost feel dirty posting this, as the love on here for anything Porsche is only overshadowed by the Tesla craze. I feel like I *should* worship boxsters and 911s and every one I see, I want to want them. I guess I'm just the board heretic. Feel free to burn me at the stake.
You certainly raise some good points. I emailed the owner of the red one in NJ that you linked earlier. :eeps:

This one's (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=453285566&zip=10512&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D10512%26showcas eOwnerId%3D1359953%26startYear%3D1981%26sortBy%3Dd istanceASC%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D0%2 6endYear%3D2018%26modelCodeList%3DBMWMCOUPE%26make CodeList%3DBMW%26searchRadius%3D0&startYear=1981&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&endYear=2018&modelCodeList=BMWMCOUPE&makeCodeList=BMW&searchRadius=0&makeCode1=BMW&modelCode1=BMWMCOUPE) pretty.

[Josh (PA)]

maybe so.

but since both are options, this is fun as a conversation.

Yea, if only it was a conversation. Sometimes I feel like anti-Porsche (and not even anti, just alternative) sentiment is taken almost as apocalyptic as anything posted in the Trump WTF thread.

[Josh (PA)]

Matt, just a thought, but have you considered checking out an Elise or a 4C? If your plan is to keep the e90 and the e46, one of the above might be an interesting raw alternative?

[Alan]

I don't agree with this. I've spent a lot of time in a 987.2 base. (I know you're saying Cayman hard top and S engine, I'm sure they both make an improvement in performance capabilities, but...) Everytime I get out of it, I am very, very happy to get back in my 135.

I think Matt likes the idea of a Porsche much more than the reality of it. I've yet to read a glowing review from him on any of the *many* test drives he has gone on. I think the z4m is much more in line with his car feel preference.

I almost feel dirty posting this, as the love on here for anything Porsche is only overshadowed by the Tesla craze. I feel like I *should* worship boxsters and 911s and every one I see, I want to want them. I guess I'm just the board heretic. Feel free to burn me at the stake.


Interesting post ... I absolutely get where you're coming from. Basically you think Matt will like the traits of a BMW over the Porsche feel.

Matt have you test driven any Z4's ?

[John V]

Shit. Do they!?

Does yours have it?


EDIT: Googling suggests the 981 base seats don't have lumbar.

Mine have adjustable lumbar. I think it comes with the power seat on the 987.

[rumatt]

Mine have adjustable lumbar. I think it comes with the power seat on the 987.
Yours were very comfortable. Far more so than the 981 base seats I just sat in.

Matt have you test driven any Z4's ?
No sir. Worth a try though.

[equ]

I don't agree with this. I've spent a lot of time in a 987.2 base. (I know you're saying Cayman hard top and S engine, I'm sure they both make an improvement in performance capabilities, but...) Everytime I get out of it, I am very, very happy to get back in my 135.

I think Matt likes the idea of a Porsche much more than the reality of it. I've yet to read a glowing review from him on any of the *many* test drives he has gone on. I think the z4m is much more in line with his car feel preference.

I almost feel dirty posting this, as the love on here for anything Porsche is only overshadowed by the Tesla craze. I feel like I *should* worship boxsters and 911s and every one I see, I want to want them. I guess I'm just the board heretic. Feel free to burn me at the stake.

We are talking over each other a bit but no one is burning anyone. We have different opinions, yours might be a minority one or maybe not even as this board is full bmw worshippers. I think I count among the roundel faithful as two of the three cars registered to me are bmw's and so is my only motorcycle.

I don't think I have to preface every statement "It is my opinion that...".

If the z4 and boxster are apples and oranges, the z4, boxster & 135i are apples, oranges and strawberries. A z4M does not drive like a boxster with more power. The 135i is a good car, one I contemplated buying at least twice, but it is not a sports car, just a sporty fun one. Just as golf R's and tuned GTI's (hint hint).

The boxster and cayman 2.9 (or ideally the 3.4) have handling, feel and sound that are not found in any bmw. Maybe that doesn't make them incomparable, we can compare and have differing outcomes (yours is wrong :lol2:) but even if you don't prefer the porsches, you need to agree that we are comparing very different cars. Even a boxster and a 911 are pretty much apples & oranges, they are different cars with different feel.

Also :stickpoke seems broken, I had to resort to :lol2.

[equ]

No sir. Worth a try though.

I guess time spent driving them is worth it so you can rule them out and we can move on with proper porsche hunting. :eeps:

I have driven them, coupe & vert, several a few times (my sweet spot was the 3.0si with the 255hp N52 engine) but 2-seater means porsche pour moi.

[Josh (PA)]

Just listen to Hamster. He's the only smart one of the lot:
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Matt: you don't need your ego flattered, you need your primeval manhood tested.

Edit: and if someone wants to correctly embed the youtube video, feel free. I suck and bbcodeing and the internet in general.

[John V]

Right, obviously my opinion is my own, you're free to disagree. Front-engine cars drive a lot differently than mid-engine cars and the MZ4's engine changes the character of the car even more. Nobody will ever call a Boxster a hot rod. The MZ4 is kind of a hot rod. Whether that's your thing or not is up to you.

[rumatt]

Matt: you don't need your ego flattered, you need your primeval manhood tested.

:D

I've always wanted to own a Porsche at some point in my life. And in general I value handling and feel over muscle. And I think the cayman is awesome looking. So put all those in the pro column.

And I did like John's a lot.



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[rumatt]

Uh oh! I recently decided I'd prefer a 987.2, but this 981 checks all my boxes (according to the VIN).

Manual, Gray exterior black interior, PASM, PTV, 14-way seats, 9K miles, certified.

Shit shit shit. It's more money than I wanted to spend too, but....

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=453671995

Original MSRP $81,795.00
Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV)
20-inch Carrera Classic wheels
Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest
Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM)
Seat ventilation
Smoking package
Bi-Xenon
Sport Chrono Package (i.c.w. PCM)
SportDesign steering wheel
Cayman S
Standard Sport Seats in Black
Agate Grey Metallic
Power Sport Seats (14-way)
Premium Package i.c.w. Power Sport Seats
Infotainment Package with BOSE

[bren]

Find an independent, or trust your own judgement. ;)

[Josh (PA)]

at this point, just wait till the e46 comes back all refreshed and see if it w/ LSD scratches the fun car itch.

[Sharp11]

I think Matt likes the idea of a Porsche much more than the reality of it. I've yet to read a glowing review from him on any of the *many* test drives he has gone on. I think the z4m is much more in line with his car feel preference.



I agree.

When the idea of a third car comes up, ideally something fun, in my mind, it shouldn't be too expensive or exotic - which is why I'd aim for a really good, simple to maintain sports car - like a Miata. Prior gen Miatas are fun as hell with the best shifter and steering feel of any current gen car I've driven - and that feel is available at sensible speeds, especially on the roads up where Matt is now living.

Just for the record, lots of people have been having tons of fun for generations in front-engined, rear drive two seaters as in mid engined models. ;)

50 grand plus for a used Boxster seems to be what one has to pay for a late model, well maintained example with low miles. I'm currently helping a friend shop Miatas; we found a 2013, fully equipped, full leather, with just under 50k on the clock for $16,300 - it's really nice!! You can pull the trigger on something like that and not feel like you've over-extended yourself.

Plus, when both your BMW's are down, you'll always have something to drive.

Now If Matt really seemed super excited about a Porsche, I'd say go for it, but to Josh's point, he doesn't - I think he owes it to himself to open up the test drives ;)

[John V]

Boxsters are exotic? I guess I always associate "exotic" with "expensive to maintain" and "a pain to live with," neither of which apply to a Boxster. Can't argue with the statement that they're pretty expensive to buy, but if you buy them used they hold their value reasonably well. The cost of ownership is actually pretty low.

Miatas are excellent cars. I love Miatas. They are pretty hard to beat from a fun/dollar point of view, but it depends a bit on your definition of "fun." They also don't have much power. And while some people are okay with cars that don't have much power, some aren't.

I do like reading the over-the-internet psychoanalysis of Matt's secret wants and desires, though, especially coming from people who have never met him :lol:

[bren]

I do like reading the over-the-internet psychoanalysis of Matt's secret wants and desires, though, especially coming from people who have never met him :lol:

:yes:

[Sharp11]

Boxsters are exotic? I guess I always associate "exotic" with "expensive to maintain" and "a pain to live with," neither of which apply to a Boxster. Can't argue with the statement that they're pretty expensive to buy, but if you buy them used they hold their value reasonably well. The cost of ownership is actually pretty low.

Miatas are excellent cars. I love Miatas. They are pretty hard to beat from a fun/dollar point of view, but it depends a bit on your definition of "fun." They also don't have much power. And while some people are okay with cars that don't have much power, some aren't.

I do like reading the over-the-internet psychoanalysis of Matt's secret wants and desires, though, especially coming from people who have never met him :lol:

I said "expensive OR exotic". Boxsters may be exotic to some, but probably expensive to most.

I've met Matt, I had dinner and a few beers with him in NYC back in 2012 - equ showed up -it was quite an enjoyable evening. ;) So ... there's that.

I probably don't know Matt as well as you, so i don't have a clue as to what Matt's "secret wants and desires" are, nor would I hope to, however, it doesn't take a lot of effort to read through this thread and see his reluctance and luke-warm reactions to the several cars he's driven.

I agree fully with you that different people like different things, though, the world would be a pretty boring place otherwise. ;)

[lemming]

I said "expensive OR exotic". Boxsters may be exotic to some, but probably expensive to most.

I've met Matt, I had dinner and a few beers with him in NYC back in 2012 - equ showed up -it was quite an enjoyable evening. ;) So ... there's that.

I probably don't know Matt as well as you, so i don't have a clue as to what Matt's "secret wants and desires" are, nor would I hope to, however, it doesn't take a lot of effort to read through this thread and see his reluctance and luke-warm reactions to the several cars he's driven.

I agree fully with you that different people like different things, though, the world would be a pretty boring place otherwise. ;)

a refresh of the chassis of an e46, the last of the driver-centric BMWs, is going to hit a bullseye. and that driving experience is going to be only slightly diluted from that of an e36 (a unicorn benchmark).

the last set of cars that I have driven that maintain that level of road feel and chassis sharpness without a dollop of syrup in between everything are the 996s, 997s, 986s and 987s of the world.

equ himself has even said that the 981 has some aloofness compared to the 987.2

what's my point?

that you can revamp a BMW back to factory freshness, but looking over the latest crop of BMWs, that sharpness is largely gone.

but Porsche vehicles, by and large, still come from the factory with that tactile connection to the driver.

it is what it is and what the manufacturers are catering to. solution is likely to have one of both.

[rumatt]

i don't have a clue as to what Matt's "secret wants and desires" are, nor would I hope to
Trust me, you don't want to know. :lol: :lol: :speechle:

[equ]

Uh oh! I recently decided I'd prefer a 987.2, but this 981 checks all my boxes (according to the VIN).

Manual, Gray exterior black interior, PASM, PTV, 14-way seats, 9K miles, certified.

Shit shit shit. It's more money than I wanted to spend too, but....

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=453671995

Original MSRP $81,795.00
Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV)
20-inch Carrera Classic wheels
Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest
Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM)
Seat ventilation
Smoking package
Bi-Xenon
Sport Chrono Package (i.c.w. PCM)
SportDesign steering wheel
Cayman S
Standard Sport Seats in Black
Agate Grey Metallic
Power Sport Seats (14-way)
Premium Package i.c.w. Power Sport Seats
Infotainment Package with BOSE

Do it! This looks like the one. Can't go wrong with PASM, PTV, SC, 14-ways and CPO...

[Plaz]

i don't have a clue as to what Matt's "secret wants and desires" are

Trust me, you don't want to know. :lol: :lol: :speechle:

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[John V]

https://i.giphy.com/vtnnmOIrONbeU.gif

Really? Jeez. Not even in my top 50 ;)

[ff]

:lol:

[Sharp11]

plaz ... lol

[rumatt]

:lol:

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[clyde]

Uh oh! I recently decided I'd prefer a 987.2, but this 981 checks all my boxes (according to the VIN).

Manual, Gray exterior black interior, PASM, PTV, 14-way seats, 9K miles, certified.

Shit shit shit. It's more money than I wanted to spend too, but....

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=453671995

Original MSRP $81,795.00
Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV)
20-inch Carrera Classic wheels
Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest
Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM)
Seat ventilation
Smoking package
Bi-Xenon
Sport Chrono Package (i.c.w. PCM)
SportDesign steering wheel
Cayman S
Standard Sport Seats in Black
Agate Grey Metallic
Power Sport Seats (14-way)
Premium Package i.c.w. Power Sport Seats
Infotainment Package with BOSE

Enjoy!

[Alan]

I agree.

When the idea of a third car comes up, ideally something fun, in my mind, it shouldn't be too expensive or exotic - which is why I'd aim for a really good, simple to maintain sports car - like a Miata.

Now If Matt really seemed super excited about a Porsche, I'd say go for it, but to Josh's point, he doesn't - I think he owes it to himself to open up the test drives ;)

A third car shouldn't be too expensive or exotic !?!? ... these are all relative terms ... to some people a boxster isn't exotic or expensive to maintain ...

Josh's point had more to do with thoughts that Matt might like the driving traits of a BMW versus a Porsche but it seems pretty obvious Matt is pretty obsessed with the Porsches ...heck look at all of his past posts from the last few months ... this man wants a Porsche !!

[Sharp11]

A third car shouldn't be too expensive or exotic !?!? ... these are all relative terms ... to some people a boxster isn't exotic or expensive to maintain ...

Josh's point had more to do with thoughts that Matt might like the driving traits of a BMW versus a Porsche but it seems pretty obvious Matt is pretty obsessed with the Porsches ...heck look at all of his past posts from the last few months ... this man wants a Porsche !!

Thanks for repeating what I already said about the comparative science of Boxsters vs Miata's and one's perception of value. Was I not clear enough?

Here's what i wrote: Boxsters may be exotic to some, but probably expensive to most.

At any rate, it's my opinion, qualified by the statement "in my mind" - some of you are way too thin-skinned about this stuff.

Josh did state he thought BMW's were more in line with Matt's preferences. He also stated Matt's having not been too excited about the cars Matt's test driven - I have no idea about the former, but I agreed with the latter.

I recommended the Miata because if price is a factor, the Miata ticks many of the right boxes. Matt's been driving a car he loves for several years that by today's standards, wouldn't be considered "powerful", the Miata would continue in this tradition, but it's way lighter, shorter, and fun.

Frankly, i'm more interested in Matt's impressions of his old car when he gets it back - he may not want anything else. :)

[John V]

In this context, "thin-skinned" means "presenting a different viewpoint from Ed." :D

[equ]

Frankly, i'm more interested in Matt's impressions of his old car when he gets it back - he may not want anything else. :)

A restored sports or zhp e46 will be a nice car, but it will not replace the urge for something like a boxster or cayman. It'll be more like a GTI, just a nice, sporty everyday car.

Miata vs. boxster/cayman? Apples and oranges. Especially from someone who has put 50k miles on various versions of the mid-engined platform, every time I get in a miata, I just don't see the comparison. At all.

[Alan]

Thanks for repeating what I already said about the comparative science of Boxsters vs Miata's and one's perception of value.



You are very welcome :thumbup:
Was I not clear enough?

Here's what i wrote:


Huh ?? Can you please repeat that :D

In this context, "thin-skinned" means "presenting a different viewpoint from Ed." :D

:lol:

[John V]

A restored sports or zhp e46 will be a nice car, but it will not replace the urge for something like a boxster or cayman. It'll be more like a GTI, just a nice, sporty everyday car.

Miata vs. boxster/cayman? Apples and oranges. Especially from someone who has put 50k miles on various versions of the mid-engined platform, every time I get in a miata, I just don't see the comparison. At all.

I bought my Boxster with ~28k on it. I'm coming up on 60,000 miles and three years of ownership. My wife asked me the other day what I was thinking about as a next car and for the first time I can remember, I don't have any desire to get into something else. It's one of those rare cars that I enjoy more with each drive.

[lemming]

I bought my Boxster with ~28k on it. I'm coming up on 60,000 miles and three years of ownership. My wife asked me the other day what I was thinking about as a next car and for the first time I can remember, I don't have any desire to get into something else. It's one of those rare cars that I enjoy more with each drive.

That car is an amazing car. And I would have to agree.

[equ]

Matt, have you seen this one?

https://www.panjo.com/buy/2014-porsche-cayman-s-cpo-sapphire-blue-metallic-6-speed-manual-315326

Much better price but more miles and no PTV. Honestly, not entirely sure how important PTV is if you're not competing or need snow capability. Is it worth the "diff" in price?

Then again, the seller of this one mentions a 600hp VW in his ad, so his sanity is questionable at best.

[rumatt]

Matt, have you seen this one?

https://www.panjo.com/buy/2014-porsche-cayman-s-cpo-sapphire-blue-metallic-6-speed-manual-315326

Yes I've seen it! It has the base seats, otherwise I'd be talking with him.

The fact that it is that low and has been listed for a long time also makes me think something's wrong with it. But I'd investigate if it had the 14-way seats. Sitting in those at the dealership was just wonderful.
Is it worth the "diff" in price? .
Ohhhhhhh dear. :bustingup

[Sharp11]

A restored sports or zhp e46 will be a nice car, but it will not replace the urge for something like a boxster or cayman. It'll be more like a GTI, just a nice, sporty everyday car.

Miata vs. boxster/cayman? Apples and oranges. Especially from someone who has put 50k miles on various versions of the mid-engined platform, every time I get in a miata, I just don't see the comparison. At all.

It's not a comparison at all, it's not a "vs", it's an alternative (at a much lower cost) that would still provide lots of fun :dunno:

Anyway, should know better than to break into Porsche (or Tesla) confirmation-bias threads - yikes ...

[rumatt]

Anyway, should know better than to break into Porsche (or Tesla) confirmation-bias threads - yikes ...

Is this an example of you just giving your opinion and everyone else being too thin skinned?

As opposed to you being judgmental and condescending of others preferences and choices?

Just checking.

[bren]

Is this an example of you just giving your opinion and everyone else being too thin skinned?

As opposed to you being judgmental and condescending of others preferences and choices?

Just checking.

:lol:

[Sharp11]

Is this an example of you just giving your opinion and everyone else being too thin skinned?

As opposed to you being judgmental and condescending of others preferences and choices?

Just checking.

Nope, it's a confirmation bias thread, textbook/ with a little "bandwagon effect" thrown in ;) Pointing that out is not "judgmental or condescending".

I'm not shitting on your choices, you haven't made one yet, I'm offering a perfectly rational and sensible alternative, beloved by many, simply a Miata, why this draws such ire is a mystery to me ... do everyone a favor, and buy a car, already.

[rumatt]

I'm offering a perfectly rational and sensible alternative, beloved by many, simply a Miata
Dude, it's a perfectly fine suggestion.

And it's also perfectly fine for people to not take your suggestion. I've driven them multiple times. And I don't fit in them comfortably. And I don't want a convertible. And I don't want a Miata. Please don't take it personally.

why this draws such ire is a mystery to me
WTF? There's no ire in this thread over you suggesting a Miata. The only person who got pissy and emotional was you.

... do everyone a favor, and buy a car, already.
If that's how you feel, then stop reading and participating in my threads. Sometimes in life there are true win-wins. I think we may have just stumbled upon one.

[rumatt]

Matt, just a thought, but have you considered checking out an Elise or a 4C? If your plan is to keep the e90 and the e46, one of the above might be an interesting raw alternative?

Sorry Josh, I somehow missed this until now.

I actually hadn't been considering either of those but I don't see why not. Hmmmm.

Elise might be a little too hardcore for me, and I know almost nothing about the 4C. Fixing that now.

EDIT: Holy crap http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=404375456
You are viewing a 2014 Hennessey Venom GT that holds the world record as the worlds fastest production automobile. This vehicle starts life as a 2010 Lotus Elise (and is titled as such) and gets a complete transformation from the people at the world famous Hennessey Performance Engineering

[Josh (PA)]

Sorry Josh, I somehow missed this until now.

I actually hadn't been considering either of those but I don't see why not. Hmmmm.

Elise might be a little too hardcore for me, and I know almost nothing about the 4C. Fixing that now.

EDIT: Holy crap http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=404375456



Based on your comments about fitting in a Miata, both of these will be really small. Undefined had an Elise before he wised up and bought his 1er. Maybe he could give you some thoughts

[John V]

My brother owns an Elise and for a period of time also owned an NB Miata. I fit in the Elise a lot better than I did in the Miata (steering wheel to thigh interference is a common issue in people not fitting in Miatas).

The Elise for sale, by the way. He ordered it when Lotus announced they were bringing them to the US in ... 2004? I'd happily road trip it from Colorado to my place :D

edit: Picture ca. 2005

[lemming]

A restored sports or zhp e46 will be a nice car, but it will not replace the urge for something like a boxster or cayman. It'll be more like a GTI, just a nice, sporty everyday car.

Miata vs. boxster/cayman? Apples and oranges. Especially from someone who has put 50k miles on various versions of the mid-engined platform, every time I get in a miata, I just don't see the comparison. At all.

owned an NC MX5 for 5 years --and "graduated" to a 987.2 a couple of years ago. and while the MX5 has an immediacy and tactile feedback, it really feels hopelessly outgunned once the speeds go beyond 65mph. it feels great to feel fast and nimble at low speeds, but at higher speeds, it feels very much like a corolla ---in fact a corolla has more top end power.

the MX5's handling behavior (OEM) is setup for a lot of movement on the springs. so it feels like being a puppy on a wet kitchen floor. you're trying to get the car to bite and the rear legs churn and churn and churn and then the car will bite. honestly, that engine is not smooth engine, nor does it rev quickly enough to make the high strung nature enjoyable in any city traffic (kind of like the e92 m3).

the 987.2 is fast. it's much, much faster than the engine's power rating suggests. up to anything like 100mph, it blows any 996/997 out of the water, even the S versions. and then when you have to turn, it so much more fluent. the induction noise behind your left ear and the midrange engine noise is intoxicating. but for snobbery, it is the most driver friendly car in the Porsche range.

the e92 m3 feels like a heavier 3 series. vault-like. everything feels weighted and heavy (because it is). and the engine is not fun until 3500rpms. it lives for the top end, but as many (notably JST) have written, you rarely get to see 4000rpms in normal driving unless you have issues ta home.

a good example of how the e9x and the 987 or 996 differ is on the Merritt Parkway in CT. it's a narrow two lane highway between NYC and Hartford where the normal running speed is 80-85mph. but it goes in bursts behind of slower cars and all of the nefariously short onramps. when you have to stop on a dime and then accelerate again back to 80mph from 50mph all of a car's vices and virtues can be exposed.

In any Miata, you'll feel exposed and even with a heavy throttle blip, you're redlining 3rd gear (waiting forever too) to get back up to speed before getting run over by traffic.

the 987? you don't really need to downshift unless you want to hear that shriek and engine wail. you could go from 6 to 4, just for fun, and the car leaps forward. with decent aero, the car doesn't feel sketchy. it's so light and the engine revs so quickly you need to not over-accelerate because you're at 120mph.

the 996? kind of like the 987.2, but with a heavier flywheel. but all 911s are built for speed, so the main difference is that the car hunkers down and feels more solid at higher cruising speeds. and the aero is so good.

the e92 really only shines at higher speeds, and the gearing is such that you can leave the car in 6th and go from 80 to 100mph in a flash. it's heavy, though, so the car moves a lot on its suspension on the high speed sweepers of the Merritt.

most of my driving is like this --and a the MX5 has no place here.

[John V]

Lem, I'm sorry that you were so obviously bullied into liking the 987. I wish you a speedy recovery.

[rumatt]

edit: Picture ca. 2005

Thats an awesome photo. I vaguely remember seeing it the first time but somehow remembered it as being green. :?

[equ]

Great post, Lem.

One of my last NC test drives, interestingly, included the Merritt. Exactly as you described, in that 80mph merge quick environment, the car did not live up to the german competition (on that day the 'ole 528i that took us to the dealership). NVH, less than ideal grip on bumps, not being able to get up to left lane highway speeds rapidly like a six or a turbo four, no matter how much you wring it out.

[Plaz]

Great post, Lem.

One of my last NC test drives, interestingly, included the Merritt. Exactly as you described, in that 80mph merge quick environment, the car did not live up to the german competition (on that day the 'ole 528i that took us to the dealership). NVH, less than ideal grip on bumps, not being able to get up to left lane highway speeds rapidly like a six or a turbo four, no matter how much you wring it out.

Agreed, great post.

My 1M slays on the Merritt. :bigpimp: :lol:

When it's not super congested, it's a really fun road. Complete with a tunnel to downshift and roll the windows down for.

[rumatt]

Well I attempted to buy the gray cayman. Half heartedly anyway.

Thursday evening I called and got within $1,500 of a deal.

Today at noon I confirmed it was still available and told them I was coming in to see it at 2:00. I changed my amtrak back home from DC to have a stop over in Delaware.

Got to the dealer and they told me it sold Friday morning. :banghead:

As they saying goes: He who hesitates masturbates in an e46.

[Plaz]

Today at noon I confirmed it was still available and told them I was coming in to see it at 2:00 to see it. I changed my amtrak back home from DC to have a stop over in Delaware.

Got to the dealer and they told me it sold Friday morning. :banghead:



Goddammit I fucking hate car dealers. Sons of bitches.

[Theo]

That is a great post. Doesn't make me want the M3 now though. Lol

[bren]

Got to the dealer and they told me it sold Friday morning. :banghead:

As they saying goes: He who hesitates masturbates in an e46.

Funny, that's pretty much what happened to me when I thought I was about to buy a Porsche last year. Now I'm still in the e46 too. :lol:

[rumatt]

Funny, that's pretty much what happened to me when I thought I was about to buy a Porsche last year. Now I'm still in the e46 too. :lol:
Ha. What did you almost buy?

[bren]

Ha. What did you almost buy?

997.2. I think it's in a thread somewhere around here.

Edit:
Found it. I thought it was the early in '16, but it was actually Oct. of '15.
http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showthread.php?t=113455

[rumatt]

I made an appointment early last week to look at this thing today. Too bad when the salesman called this morning to make sure that I was still coming he neglected to tell me that it sold over the weekend. Nothing like a 2+ hour round trip for nothing.
UGH

[Alan]

Well I attempted to buy the gray cayman. Half heartedly anyway.

Thursday evening I called and got within $1,500 of a deal.

Today at noon I confirmed it was still available and told them I was coming in to see it at 2:00. I changed my amtrak back home from DC to have a stop over in Delaware.

Got to the dealer and they told me it sold Friday morning. :banghead:

As they saying goes: He who hesitates masturbates in an e46.

Sheesh that is frustrating as sh*t ... it makes you feel like you need to jump on a car right away and then hope it is what you wanted ...

Unfortunately we are heading into Spring which is when a lot of buyers get the itch at the same time though sellers are now going to put their cars up on the market ... hang in there Matt you'll find the right car and when you do it will be worth the wait :thumbup:

[clyde]

Well I attempted to buy the gray cayman. Half heartedly anyway.

Thursday evening I called and got within $1,500 of a deal.

Today at noon I confirmed it was still available and told them I was coming in to see it at 2:00. I changed my amtrak back home from DC to have a stop over in Delaware.

Got to the dealer and they told me it sold Friday morning. :banghead:

As they saying goes: He who hesitates masturbates in an e46.

So, that's a second trip to DC area where you didn't say you were visiting. I see how it is. Even if I've been in San Diego for a week.

[rumatt]

So, that's a second trip to DC area where you didn't say you were visiting. I see how it is. Even if I've been in San Diego for a week.
Third. I was there last week too.

:speechle:

But seriously, I'm in antisocial mode is out if necessity, not desire. I got pulled into a crisis at a customer site. I'm just trying to survive until I can figure out how to exit gracefully.

[Plaz]

:lol:

clyde serving up the judeo-catholic guilt burgers in absentia.

[clyde]

Third. I was there last week too.

:speechle:

But seriously, I'm in antisocial mode is out if necessity, not desire. I got pulled into a crisis at a customer site. I'm just trying to survive until I can figure out how to exit gracefully.

You should hear my stories of work crises, exits and lack of grace. It be instructional.

:lol:

clyde serving up the judeo-catholic guilt burgers in absentia.

If I don't, who will?

[equ]

Well I attempted to buy the gray cayman. Half heartedly anyway.

Thursday evening I called and got within $1,500 of a deal.

Today at noon I confirmed it was still available and told them I was coming in to see it at 2:00. I changed my amtrak back home from DC to have a stop over in Delaware.

Got to the dealer and they told me it sold Friday morning. :banghead:

As they saying goes: He who hesitates masturbates in an e46.

Sucks. Not that half-hearted to call, make an offer and then make an appointment. Tells you where the price level is, especially for a low-mileage CPO car that strikes the desirable option list. The GTS's have all of that and some more, but then they are another $10k. You'll find another. 987.2's are harder. Much fewer of them, very few had diffs, etc. etc. But then JV installs diffs before breakfast ;).

Super sucky that they didn't let you know.

[lemming]

the best way to get leads on cars (IMHO) is to ask indy mechanics who have active car practices. the owners typically turn over cars and it's a far better way to find primo cars before they go online or for trade-in.

[rumatt]

Tells you where the price level is, especially for a low-mileage CPO car that strikes the desirable option list.
There was one super nice salesman there (the rest were total dicks) who offered to drive me back to the train station. While driving he said that any Cayman S with a stick they get us sold within a few days. He said they had one just like this last week but it sold the next day before they could even put it online.

I'd figured there will be plenty of 981's coming off lease soon so they wouldn't be so rare, but I guess being only a 3 year run and the last NA cayman it will keep them plenty sought after.

On the ride back to the airport I rode in a Macan. It reinforced that a) I don't want one (it's a truck!) and b) I'm still digging the 14-way seats.

[Plaz]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170409/701d8e8655399a52b9097999eeff89d0.jpg

(Just because)

[rumatt]

Gray 981 GTS with blue interior anyone?

https://www.carmax.com/car/14300155

[JST]

That's an odd choice, but I've kind of grown to like the blue interior. It's dark enough that it mostly seems black, but it has enough hue to be interesting.

[bren]

I'd be mostly ok with that blue interior. Far better than a tan or red for sure.

[rumatt]

Tan is just hideously ugly in porsches. I don't understand who could actually like it.

[Plaz]

Tan is just hideously ugly in porsches. I don't understand who could actually like it.

:+1

I don't really like any of their browns. I don't really like any of their non-black interior colors, actually.

[equ]

I'd be mostly ok with that blue interior. Far better than a tan or red for sure.

Ouch, I like my red interior. It goes well with silver's, black's and gray's. Too much on white.

I've had beige on my dark blue 997 Carrera. As much as I loved the dark blue, the beige ruined the car's looks for me. Deviating carpets helped. But yeah, porsche beige is no good.

[Plaz]

Okay, you're right equ, the red is cool.

Too loud for me though. If/when I ever get a pork chop I think it'll have to be black interior.

[John V]

Matt, have you bought a car yet? Holy crap. Buy a car.

Buy this car:

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f94/fs-2005-brp-lotus-elise-38-1xx-miles-407737/

[wdc330i]

Cayman R new listing:


https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/984674-2012-cayman-r-stick.html

[rumatt]

Matt, have you bought a car yet? Holy crap. Buy a car.

Buy this car:

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f94/fs-2005-brp-lotus-elise-38-1xx-miles-407737/

Maybe!

Did you back it into a tree or something!?! :D

[John V]

The scratches? I think that is parking lot damage, though I don't know.

[bren]

Cayman R new listing:


https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/984674-2012-cayman-r-stick.html

That's nice.

[lemming]

That's nice.

shudder to think how much that car was brand new. even now it's expensive, but probably a value buy for a true enthusiast.

i think what you will see is how coveted the boxer six cylinder engines will be (the post 2009 DFI engines).

[rumatt]

Cayman R new listing:
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/984674-2012-cayman-r-stick.html

That's beautiful.

I don't think the Cayman R would get out of my garage without scraping thought :(

I have also read a lot of people saying it's really stiff for the street.

[rumatt]

Goddammit I fucking hate car dealers. Sons of bitches.

I got a follow up email today that started with this

Thank you for visiting the dealership and hopefully we can locate another Cayman S for you. I know it was unfortunate that the car sold on your trip here but it happens more often then you might imagine.

He got an earful from me in response. I'm debating forwarding it to the dealership general manager. But that takes effort, so... meh.

[equ]

I love the cayman R. you'd have to drive one locally, but they are not too stiff. Think x73 on the 981. Wonderfully damped. I drove a couple over country roads and freeways. Nothing wrong with a 987R, excellent tip to toe. Does not need PSE option as it's plenty loud, and I personally, prefer heated leather seats to torture buckets. That's it. Give me an acceptable color, a 6MT instead of the PDK and heated sports seats instead of the buckets and any cayman R will work. Very few skipped A/C, I'd need that too.

[JST]

Yes to all of the above. I'd still have the Boxster, though; I remain convinced that a 987.2 with the Spyder suspension swap is the perfect car.

[equ]

May/June 2015:

I had a line on a perfect 2014 Cayman S. It was a bit far. I dilly-dallied. Car sold on rennlist private party. Then suddenly someone canceled and my GT4 number came up. I had a few hours to put in a deposit, so I did (thinking the numbers were truly limited - which they ended up not being). 24hrs after my GT4 deposit, the Indiana cayman S reached out. I should have canceled the deposit and taken 981S, but I was tongue-tied.

Similarly with Cayman R's. I was inches from buying one new. I had time on my hands, so I actually went around the 100-mile radius, saw six, drove two or three. Ended up with the cheaper 2011 Cayman S. Red didn't work out.

Oh well, the boxster is a new experience and it is a 981S.

[rumatt]

I love the cayman R. you'd have to drive one locally, but they are not too stiff.

Interesting. I'd drive one of I could find one nearby.

Who wants to drive their 987.2 to my house to help me figure out if it'll get into my garage without scraping? I think I might be kinds screwed here. :-/

I'm reading that the 981 scrapes less because the wheels are further forward.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170410/a3f26d3406aceddb2e647b7d68b29fc6.jpg

[equ]

The GT4 was awful in this respect, I needed two car widths where ever I went, gas stations etc. Not a car meant for the street. A bit but not meaningfully faster than the 3.4's 0 to 75, and yes, quite a bit faster deep into the triple digits. Less oversteer-y, with 295 rears. Do not miss.

On the driveway, I have no idea. I touch a bit with my 981S PASM. It's minor plastics so I've stopped caring, I just go very slow. The x73 would have been worse. However, if I bought a 981 again, boxster or cayman, I'd go x73 or PASM, again. The base suspension takes away from the car in my view. Just a little.

[clyde]

Who wants to drive their 987.2 to my house to help me figure out if it'll get into my garage without scraping? I think I might be kinds screwed here. :-/
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170410/a3f26d3406aceddb2e647b7d68b29fc6.jpg

How did you buy a house with this problem?

[JST]

You just need to bag whatever you buy.

The Cayman R almost has to be Peridot.

[JST]

This one would have been good.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-porsche-cayman-r/

[rumatt]

How did you buy a house with this problem?
I can see water from 3 of the 4 walls of my the house.

Still not clear it was the right call. :ack: But I was in a very watery place at the time.

[rumatt]

This one would have been good.
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-porsche-cayman-r/

Dude that's a PDK

[rumatt]

shudder to think how much that car was brand new. even now it's expensive, but probably a value buy for a true enthusiast.


$78,670

What's it worth now guys? Tell me what to offer and I'll put it in. (for realz)

[JST]

it's CPO, too.

The peridot one a few months ago went for 48. There's a few thousand premium (probably) for the stick, and another couple grand for the CPO.

I'd be happy paying 55, but I might pay more.

Honestly, as long as you don't wreck it or put crazy miles on it, you won't lose money even at 57.

[rumatt]

it's CPO, too.

The peridot one a few months ago went for 48. There's a few thousand premium (probably) for the stick, and another couple grand for the CPO.

I'd be happy paying 55, but I might pay more.

Honestly, as long as you don't wreck it or put crazy miles on it, you won't lose money even at 57.
Thanks.

He's asking 58 (57.9) so I'm not sure 55 will fly. But I just offered it so we'll see what happens.

Ironically I was on an amtrak passing the Wilmington Delaware stop, where the other car was, when I sent the mail. Maybe it's a sign... (that I'll screw up both?) :lol:

[wdc330i]

Good luck!

[bren]

Interesting. I'd drive one of I could find one nearby.

Who wants to drive their 987.2 to my house to help me figure out if it'll get into my garage without scraping? I think I might be kinds screwed here. :-/

I'm reading that the 981 scrapes less because the wheels are further forward.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170410/a3f26d3406aceddb2e647b7d68b29fc6.jpg
You've got problems, I've got solutions.

This:

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/dc/dc98c654-7066-4b00-806e-8f5ae7168ac6_400.jpg

Or this:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/da/ee/e8/daeee869956c8d1318fc13db56a9abce.jpg

[rumatt]

You've got problems, I've got solutions.

Right. I decided that if it doesn't work, I'll figure out how to make it work.

Buying the lowest variant the 987 that exists probably isn't the smartest move, but that car is pretty kick ass.

[rumatt]

Matt,

No rust and no track time on it. The first owner was an Indian gentleman the bought the car new at our dealership. He owned it for many years and was always serviced with us. It has every single service history with us from new. The second owner was a doctor that is a good client of ours that has multiple Porsche's. He bought the car in 2014 and only put about 2k miles on it. The car was babied under his ownership. Neither one of my clients are track type of guys meaning the car was basically enjoyed by two older gentlemen. I

My customer traded it in on a blue GT4 two days ago and since he bought our GT4 at full ask with no discount we did have to pay up for the R to make the deal happen. The car has only been with us for two days and has only been on RL and Facebook since this morning and has already generated a lot of calls to the whole staff. Long story short I unfortunately can not accept 55k for the car given the enormous amount of people asking for the car. I would be able to do $56,750 on the car if you would like to proceed with a deposit and proceed with your inspection. I do ask that if you are moving forward with a deposit you do this with the intention of moving rather quickly given it is hard for me to justify to my staff that the car is sold pending an inspection if they are able to get full ask for the car.

If you are in agreement I would be happy to take your card over the phone. Best number to reach me is 3052063679. Call me anytime if you have further questions and we can lock this up!

This is an absolute gem you will love this car!


Thinking.. Might do it.

I've never sat in a sport seat BTW. I might be panning this thing off on you some time soon if I get it. :lol:

[Josh (PA)]

Thinking.. Might do it.

I've never sat in a sport seat BTW. I might be panning this thing off on you some time soon if I get it. :lol:

One of the better responses I've ever seen from a sales guy. That's a good sign. I say DO IT! If you were happy at $55, $56,7 isn't much of a stretch.

Good luck.

[rumatt]

8k higher than that other pdk seems kinda high. But as long as I'm not getting too ripped off I can stomach it.

I haven't studied R pricing at all. I'll have to trust JST on this one. :eeps: And even puts it at $54

And its Ohio so I could drive it home.

[rumatt]

Refundable deposit left. It's mine if I want it.

Their techs are starting the CPO inspection tomorrow. If I want an independent inspection I can do it.

[Plaz]

I got a follow up email today that started with this


https://img.gifmagazine.net/gifmagazine/images/964260/original.gif?1477409778

He got an earful from me in response. I'm debating forwarding it to the dealership general manager. But that takes effort, so... meh.

:lol:

Yeah. Like they give a shit.

[rumatt]

Good luck!
If this goes through, you get the official assist. Thanks!!!!

Who found the White Wagon for me? That was Bren right?

[clyde]

If this goes through, you get the official assist. Thanks!!!!

Who found the White Wagon for me? That was Bren right?

You're buying another white wagon instead of a Boxtman that you're going to scrape everytime you enter/exit your home in the woods? Dude. Impressive.

[rumatt]

You're buying another white wagon instead of a Boxtman that you're going to scrape everytime you enter/exit your home in the woods? Dude. Impressive.
Wtf man, I've been waiting this whole time for your 932nd "congrats"... and it didn't come! :lol:

[clyde]

Wtf man, I've been waiting this whole time for your 932nd "congrats"... and it didn't come! :lol:

You haven't bought anything yet, right? Except a house with a fucked up driveway?

[rumatt]

You haven't bought anything yet, right?
Since when does that stop you?

[bren]

Refundable deposit left. It's mine if I want it.

Their techs are starting the CPO inspection tomorrow. If I want an independent inspection I can do it.

Okay, this one is exciting.

Can I call dibs? Too soon?

[JST]

Yeah, I'd do it at that price. Looks like a really nice car.

And you should totally drive it home. The run through PA would be very cool.

The sport seats are really nice. As equ said, the track seats are too much for the street. These are a good compromise.

[Josh (PA)]

And you should totally drive it home. The run through PA would be very cool.
.

Yea, let me know if you come through SEPA, i'll let you take the 135 for a bit so you can have buyers remorse the whole rest of the way to NY. :mad2::lol:

Seriously, Chester County has some of the best roads if you want to work it out a bit, I'd be happy to show you around.

[John V]

Hey Matt I haven't forgotten about your e-mail - I'll try to give you a gauge of the Boxster's "approach angle" tonight :lol:

[rumatt]

Hey Matt I haven't forgotten about your e-mail - I'll try to give you a gauge of the Boxster's "approach angle" tonight :lol:
No worries.

But don't you like how I was worried about a base car scraping then I bought one that's 20mm lower? :banghead: I'm assuming I can fix the driveway as needed. If not I guess I'll just park the rusting BMWs in the garage and leave the Porsche outside? :lol:

[rumatt]

Yea, let me know if you come through SEPA, i'll let you take the 135 for a bit so you can have buyers remorse the whole rest of the way to NY. :mad2::lol:

Seriously, Chester County has some of the best roads if you want to work it out a bit, I'd be happy to show you around.

Ohhh, maybe yeah, that would be fun! We can go for a drive and swap cars.

It'll have to depend when I pick it up though. My schedule is ridiculous these days. And they won't even tell me when it's available because it's pending any work needed by the CPO process.

[GimpyMcFarlan]

Rumatt,
Which car dealership is this at? I live on the east side of Cleveland so I'm not very far away from most of the Bernie Moreno locations. l would be happy to visit the dealership to take independent pics if it would help. Please do not hesitate to let me know if I can be of assistance in any way.

This looks like an awesome car. Good luck with the purchase.

[rumatt]

Rumatt,
Which car dealership is this at? I live on the east side of Cleveland so I'm not very far away from most of the Bernie Moreno locations. l would be happy to visit the dealership to take independent pics if it would help. Please do not hesitate to let me know if I can be of assistance in any way.

This looks like an awesome car. Good luck with the purchase.

Thanks! It's at Porsche of North Olmsted, West Side. The car is in for CPO inspection at this point but I'll let you know if I think pictures would help.

What I need most is figuring out of the car is falling apart and drives like shit. :) Do you happen to know any independent Porsche mechanics within reasonable distance of them? I'm reading about Steinel's but it doesn't seem particularly close.

The salesman said he drove it and liked it so much he almost bought it himself... But he might say that about ever car he sells.

[John V]

Oh, crap, I didn't realize you bought it. I just saw you put a deposit down.

[wdc330i]

Dealership has decent online reviews, FWIW. And the car is CPO, so that's some measure of comfort, if illusory. :lol:

[zach]

Dealership has decent online reviews, FWIW. And the car is CPO, so that's some measure of comfort, if illusory. :lol:

Yeah, the CPO should give you some peace of mind. If it's not right, they'll have to fix it. I'm sure it's fine.

[rumatt]

Oh, crap, I didn't realize you bought it. I just saw you put a deposit down.
I didn't buy yet.

[equ]

Is CPO included in the price you're getting?

Also, personally for my use, Cayman R > GT4. Finally, after all of these years, you will make me jealous. :)

[rumatt]

Yes it's CPO. Expires Feb 2018

[JST]

Yes it's CPO. Expires Feb 2018

Ah, so it's prior owner's CPO? That's not quite as good, but still, I think this is probably a good deal.

[rumatt]

Sorry for the confusion. No. They're doing the CPO inspection now and replacing anything that it needs to bring it up to spec

[JST]

Sorry for the confusion. No. They're doing the CPO inspection now and replacing anything that it needs to bring it up to spec

But if they are doing a new CPO shouldn't it run 2 years from the date of sale?

http://www.porsche.com/usa/approvedused/porscheapproved/

That was one of the things I really like about the Porsche CPO program--they'd enroll a car even if it was out of factory warranty. It wasn't just a couple of years tacked on to the end of the existing warranty.

Or is the car under an existing CPO and they are just replacing parts to make sure it still qualifies?

[bren]

Or is the car under an existing CPO and they are just replacing parts to make sure it still qualifies?
Must be this.


If it is still under warranty you only get 6 years/100k miles total from date of original sale.

See here:
http://www.porsche.com/usa/approvedused/porscheapproved/features/warranty/

CPO Warranty coverage:
Porsche Approved Certified Pre-owned Limited Warranty covers up to 6 years, or a cumulative 100,000 miles, from the original in-service date (whichever occurs first), if the vehicle is still under the new car limited warranty at the time of purchase.
For vehicles no longer under the new vehicle limited warranty at the time of used retail delivery, Porsche Approved Certified Pre-owned Limited Warranty coverage extends until the earlier of:
• 2 years from the date of used retail delivery
OR
• 50,000 miles from the mileage at used retail delivery, but not to exceed a cumulative 100,000 total miles on the vehicle

EDIT:

Clues...

The first owner .... The second owner .... He bought the car in 2014

[rumatt]

Oh so maybe it goes 2 years from when I buy it then?

He told me 5 times that they're doing the inspection now and replacing anything needed to bring it up to Porsche's CPO specs.

I just assumed it was 6 years from the time it originally went into service, which that vin decoder claims was 2/2012

[bren]

No.

It was CPO'd when the first guy sold it. The second guy got the 2 year CPO addition when he bought it.

The CPO expires 6 years from the original in-service date because the car was under OE warranty when it was sold to guy #2, thus 2 years added to in-service date.

The dealer is doing an inspection to verify everything is up to CPO standard, but the car is already a CPO so the warranty dates won't change.

*The above scenario jibes with the date the salesman told you - 2/18. Right?

[rumatt]

Why would the current dealer be replacing parts if that was be case?

The dealer didn't tell me 2/18. I just assumed it given the original in service date.

I'll just ask him. :lol:

[bren]

Why would the current dealer be replacing parts if that was be case?

The dealer didn't tell me 2/18. I just assumed it given the original in service date.

I'll just ask him. :lol:

If they don't do it now, they'll be doing it later when you bitch about warranty repair. This would then lead you to call Porsche and say they sold you a CPO that was busted, then Porsche gets pissy, etc..

Yeah, just ask for clarification. :p

[equ]

Porsche CPO may not be exactly like BMW CPO. It can go past 6/100 depending.

[GimpyMcFarlan]

What I need most is figuring out of the car is falling apart and drives like shit. :) Do you happen to know any independent Porsche mechanics within reasonable distance of them? I'm reading about Steinel's but it doesn't seem particularly close.



Check out Galati's Foreign Car Service located in North Olmsted.

http://www.galatiforeigncars.com/

[rumatt]

Wow, that's right down the road from them. Thanks!

[rumatt]

Now I remember who was claiming the Cayman R was too stiff. It was Matt Farah in his review vs the 1M. He said it was too stiff and hurt his back. But he also complained about the torque and brakes, so there's that.

It won't be a DD for me so I like that it's a bit more aggressive. And the people who own them seem to love them.

https://youtu.be/GfHSuv12UIs

[rumatt]

OK I got the scoop on the CPO. It expires 04/18. It was indeed CPO'd previously, but apparently any time a dealer wants to resell a CPO car they need to reinspect it and bring it back up to spec. They don't need to pay the Porche NA again. They just need to refresh the car.

My car needs only routine maintenance. They are doing the 40k mile service at 27k miles based on age. (oil change, plugs, air filters). Not a big deal but nice nonetheless.

[Josh (PA)]

OK I got the scoop on the CPO. It expires 04/18. It was indeed CPO'd previously, but apparently any time a dealer wants to resell a CPO car they need to reinspect it and bring it back up to spec. They don't need to pay the Porche NA again. They just need to refresh the car.

My car needs only routine maintenance. They are doing the 40k mile service at 27k miles based on age. (oil change, plugs, air filters). Not a big deal but nice nonetheless.

So is it official??? Having a warranty for a year is a nice bonus.

[rumatt]

So is it official??? Having a warranty for a year is a nice bonus.
Not official until I drive it off the lot, but pending talking to the tech this afternoon I'm buying a plane ticket for Friday morning.

He also said I have the option of paying $1900 and staring the CPO clock over. I don't think that makes sense given it would be for just one additional year.

[JST]

Not official until I drive it off the lot, but pending talking to the tech this afternoon I'm buying a plane ticket for Friday morning.

Niiiiice.

Having the plugs done is good.

That's going to be a good drive. Stop at the Great Lakes Brewery in Cleveland on your way through and have the kielbasa and pierogi sandwich for lunch, which is amazing.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Great+Lakes+Brewing+Company/@41.4843807,-81.7045187,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xe4f2621c30edaa7b!8m2!3d41.48 43807!4d-81.7045187

[kognito]

Not official until I drive it off the lot, but pending talking to the tech this afternoon I'm buying a plane ticket for Friday morning.

He also said I have the option of paying $1900 and staring the CPO clock over. I don't think that makes sense given it would be for just one additional year.

Flying United? :lol:

[bren]

Not official until I drive it off the lot, but pending talking to the tech this afternoon I'm buying a plane ticket for Friday morning.

He also said I have the option of paying $1900 and staring the CPO clock over. I don't think that makes sense given it would be for just one additional year.

Shouldn't it be 2 years?

This is the best car purchase on the is board in a while. Nicely done.

Edit:
No way would I pay $1900 for a year.

[wdc330i]

I might do the extra year...Hey, woohoo!

[zach]

I'd skip the extra year of coverage I think

[JST]

I'd skip the extra year of coverage I think

Agreed. You aren't going to be putting *that* many miles on it, and these cars are pretty damn reliable, actually.

[equ]

I wouldn't pay 1900 for a year of 987.2 coverage if the car is decent to begin with. Do ask for an overrev report, any dealer can provide it. There is not much else I would do regarding PPI, but that's your choice.

Best of luck. Cayman R maybe one of my favorite driving car of all time. I shopped for them and found them slightly too expensive at $75k+TTL so skipped and went to a nearly new 987.2S that did not satisfy in quite the same way, was also red, which created issues attention from local constabulary.

It's awesome you're going on our (my?) word vs. Farah. I think it's a very good suspension, firm but there is compliance and an abundance of fun. Very much like an X73 on the 981's.

If I had non-tracked peridot 6-speed Cayman R, I'd never sell it.

[bren]

I wouldn't pay 1900 for a year of 987.2 coverage if the car is decent to begin with. Do ask for an overrev report, any dealer can provide it. There is not much else I would do regarding PPI, but that's your choice.

Best of luck. Cayman R maybe one of my favorite driving car of all time. I shopped for them and found them slightly too expensive at $75k+TTL so skipped and went to a nearly new 987.2S that did not satisfy in quite the same way, was also red, which created issues attention from local constabulary.

It's awesome you're going on our (my?) word vs. Farah. I think it's a very good suspension, firm but there is compliance and an abundance of fun. Very much like an X73 on the 981's.

If I had non-tracked peridot 6-speed Cayman R, I'd never sell it.
Over-rev report is a good call. I wouldn't waste time with an independent for a car this new either, but I have a good idea of what to look for with body damage/repair.

[JST]

Over-rev report is a good call. I wouldn't waste time with an independent for a car this new either, but I have a good idea of what to look for with body damage/repair.

Yeah, the over-rev and the body damage issues are really the only things I'd worry about--and the latter would be a concern mostly because it would affect resale in the future.

[Plaz]

Congrats!

[equ]

Congrats!

I want to say that, but I don't want to jinx this.

[zach]

Yeah, the over-rev and the body damage issues are really the only things I'd worry about--and the latter would be a concern mostly because it would affect resale in the future.

Yeah, worth doing the over-rev for sure. Otherwise, just listen to what the CPO tech has to say and go for it.

[equ]

Forgot to mention as it's a default for me but other than overrev's, it'd be the paint meter. I literally travel with a paint meter; you could borrow mine. Or use the dealer's on the spot - simpler logistics. Or ask salesman to meter the panels for you before you fly. I can send you the email I got from a porsche dealer when I was buying my 2011 cayman S, what the revs were and how range 1,2,3 don't matter, but still would be nice to not have many.

[rumatt]

He's getting me a paint meter once it's off the lift.

Here's the over-rev report. I guess this counts as not many? Zero 3's seems nice.

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[bren]

I assume this applies to not just the 911:

Ignitions are the firings of the spark plugs
On the 911 because its a six cylinder 4 stroke engine you get 3 ignitions per 1 revolution.

For example in a 997GT3.1 you divide the max rpm limit of 8400rpm with 60 seconds and you get 140 revolutions per second of the engine at redline.
Multiply this by 3 and you have the ignitions per second of the engine at redline 140x3= 420 ignitions per second on the rev limiter.
From this you can see how long *in seconds the engine stayed in a particular rpm range and also from the operating hours you can see how long ago this happened.
On the 996 GT3 with rev limiter at 8200rpm 2 types of over revs were recorded in the DME type 1 that recorded every ignition above 8201 rpm. And type 2 which recorded every ignition above 8801 and to infinity.

From the 997 introduction newer DME has the ability of recording not only type 1 and type 2 but 6 types so that the dealers can check easily not only when a type 2 overrev happened and how long it lasted but also at what range of revs.
Type 1 are stored SAME like in 996 for all 997s meaning that type 1 is very common and every one who hits the rev limiter while accelerating should have them.
Type 2 to 5 is adding 200 -300 rpm more for each range and type 6 are overrevs fe. over 9500 and to 11000 and if recorded in dme will probably void your warranty.

So with a 7400 rpm redline you can do the math.

[Josh (PA)]

He's getting me a paint meter once it's off the lift.

Here's the over-rev report. I guess this counts as not many? Zero 3's seems nice.

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That seems quite good. From what I read Type 1 is bumping redline and Type 2 is 200rpm over.
Neither of them lasted very long (there are about 420 iginitions / second at redline)

Yea, Bren and I googled the same rennlst thread, but he beat me to the post ;)

[Theo]

You guys are almost getting as picky as those posters on BAT. I swear I would never post there. They tear your car to shreds if your license plate is skewed to one side to much.

That is a very hot pcar though. I hope it works out!

[wdc330i]

I hope "sold" means sold to you, Rumatt: https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/984674-2012-cayman-r-stick.html

[rumatt]

I hope so. Because I didn't get my deposit back (or ask for it :D)

[Jeff_DML]

I hope "sold" means sold to you, Rumatt: https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/984674-2012-cayman-r-stick.html

yeah I just ran into it too while browsing rennlist

congrats:cool:

[bren]

Is it Friday already?

[wdc330i]

Is it Friday already?

:)

[JST]

Now I remember who was claiming the Cayman R was too stiff. It was Matt Farah in his review vs the 1M. He said it was too stiff and hurt his back. But he also complained about the torque and brakes, so there's that.

It won't be a DD for me so I like that it's a bit more aggressive. And the people who own them seem to love them.

https://youtu.be/GfHSuv12UIs

So clearly we need to get you and Plaz together and stage a Team WTF version of this test.

[bren]

So clearly we need to get you and Plaz together and stage a Team WTF version of this test.

Genius!

[JST]

Farah is entertaining, but he's full of shit on the brakes. There is nothing wrong with the brakes on the 987. He's confusing initial bite with stopping power.

I love the brakes on the 987, and back when I was tracking it that was the one thing that surprised everyone who drove it--just how well it stopped.

I don't buy the suspension critique, either. Too stiff? Please.

[rumatt]

Genius!
Indeed! But am I Matt Farah? Or Roland, the guy who has good taste in cars but isn't allowed to drive them on film? :lol:

I like this review better :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB5UDi2pYwE

[wdc330i]

Indeed! But am I Matt Farah? Or Roland, the guy who has good taste in cars but isn't allowed to drive them on film? :lol:

I like this review better :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB5UDi2pYwE

Nice!

[equ]

My red cayman S (the one I only had for a year) was called a creme puff by the tech. I found the report, it shows 199/4/0/0/0/0. That was at far lower miles though, car had less than 10k. I think the R is very good at that mileage. Only a few limiter hits, which happens all to easily in first in 987's (less so in 981's with taller gearing).

I will say that the 987 brake *feel* does not live up to 996/997/991 and the 981. It's the master cylinder. The stopping power is fine. The firm pedal feel is second-rate for porsche. I've written this before. But the 987/997 steering feel is far more lively/fun than the 981/991. The latter feels a bit 'audi-fied', all the way up to and including the GT4.

[zach]

Indeed! But am I Matt Farah? Or Roland, the guy who has good taste in cars but isn't allowed to drive them on film? :lol:

I like this review better :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB5UDi2pYwE

I like the full leather dash on the Cayman in that video.

[wdc330i]

My red cayman S (the one I only had for a year) was called a creme puff by the tech. I found the report, it shows 199/4/0/0/0/0. That was at far lower miles though, car had less than 10k. I think the R is very good at that mileage. Only a few limiter hits, which happens all to easily in first in 987's (less so in 981's with taller gearing).

I will say that the 987 brake *feel* does not live up to 996/997/991 and the 981. It's the master cylinder. The stopping power is fine. The firm pedal feel is second-rate for porsche. I've written this before. But the 987/997 steering feel is far more lively/fun than the 981/991. The latter feels a bit 'audi-fied', all the way up to and including the GT4.

Do red sporty cars really get in trouble more, or is that just a myth?

[kognito]

myth in my opinion

[equ]

Mine was singled out repeatedly before I had to give it up. Yes, I drive briskly, but no more than anyone around me. Its sheer presence (red with remus exhaust) seemed to trigger certain inner city cops.

[John V]

The pedal feel in my car (987.2S) is phenomenal. I'm not sure how it could be better. I have driven many 996s.

[equ]

I found the 987's mushy compared to 997's back to back. And I had one from brand new to 33k miles, fluid flushed every two years with street use.

996 is a distant memory, but my comment is from multiple back-to-back's of 987's and 997's.

[Jeff_DML]

Pedal feel in my 996 turbo is nice and firm in a good way:drink2:

[equ]

my comment is from multiple back-to-back's of 987's and 997's.

In fact, I can go one better. I drove my 987.1S (after five years of ownership) and directly traded in for a 997.2. Drove that for half a year and directly traded to a 987.2S which I had for a year. All three cars were in excellent shape.

Add to that a bunch of test drives and a few stints at Monticello with the Porsche roadshow, but those don't really count compared to owning the car.

If you are coming from a 911, you will find the 987 a bit mushy, but it does stop well.

[rumatt]

From what I've read, in 987 vs 981 brake discussions people fall into two groups.

Those who like to brake with as little effort as possible --> prefer the 981 and say the 987 brakes suck.

Those who like feel and are willing to push the pedal harder for hard stops --> prefer the 987 and say the 981 brakes are over-servoed garbage.

[JST]

Equ's comments mirror what I've heard elsewhere, and it's one of the reasons ppl upgrade the master cylinder to the GT3 part.

Having said that, I don't think there's anything wrong with the feel of the brakes. Perhaps I'm not discerning enough, but they feel fine to me.

[Plaz]

So clearly we need to get you and Plaz together and stage a Team WTF version of this test.

Can we also do it in the Santa Monica mountains' canyon roads?

[Plaz]

Indeed! But am I Matt Farah? Or Roland, the guy who has good taste in cars but isn't allowed to drive them on film? :lol:

I like this review better :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB5UDi2pYwE

:lol:

I like them both. It's kind of an apples and oranges comparison, really.

[bren]

Can we also do it in the Santa Monica mountains' canyon roads?
In the WTF version there would be a rock slide, and the test would then be forced to take place on a congested highway in stop & go traffic. :lol:

[Plaz]

In the WTF version there would be a rock slide, and the test would then be forced to take place on a congested highway in stop & go traffic. :lol:

Maybe we should just cut to the chase and film it on the Lincoln Tunnel helix at rush hour.

[rumatt]

In the WTF version there would be a rock slide, and the test would then be forced to take place on a congested highway in stop & go traffic. :lol:

:lol:


1-way flight booked for tomorrow morning. :banana:

[Josh (PA)]

:lol:


1-way flight booked for tomorrow morning. :banana:

Congrats. Ping me if you're taking the PA Turnpike home and need a bathroom on the way.

[wdc330i]

:lol:


1-way flight booked for tomorrow morning. :banana:

:D

[John V]

:lol:


1-way flight booked for tomorrow morning. :banana:

So you finally wised up and bought a Miata?

[Theo]

Wow!! Congrats!! Such a nice car.

[rumatt]

Congrats. Ping me if you're taking the PA Turnpike home and need a bathroom on the way.
Thanks. I was trying to figure out how to make this work. But I'll be further north on 80, and due to the flight timing it'll be getting back pretty late already. :(

[Josh (PA)]

Thanks. I was trying to figure out how to make this work. But I'll be further north on 80, and due to the flight timing it'll be getting back pretty late already. :(

That makes sense. I wasn't sure if you'd do rt80 or the pa tpkhome. Someday we'll do a mushrooms get together.

[equ]

Awesome. It'll be epic. I think the car will live up to your expectations. You have never driven one, right?

It'll be fantastic in all ways. The brake cylinder discussion is 'mudgeon (or equ) craziness and nitpicking. I would have bought a Cayman R if I could have last year (I could have in 2012 but was in a different state of mind and at a lower budget). I tried to buy one when selling the GT4. The only Peridot I found had heavy track use. I've had two 987's both cayman, so switching up to a 981 and a boxster was enticing (and I still love it).

I honestly the Cayman R best modern mid-engined porsche to own and keep forever.

[kognito]

Thanks. I was trying to figure out how to make this work. But I'll be further north on 80, and due to the flight timing it'll be getting back pretty late already. :(

Ugh, last time I drove 80 across PA I almost lost a few fillings. turnpike will be smoother (somewhat)

And congrats!!!

[GimpyMcFarlan]

This is loads of awesome!

[rumatt]

That makes sense. I wasn't sure if you'd do rt80 or the pa tpkhome. Someday we'll do a mushrooms get together.
Yeah it's too bad. We need to make it happen somehow though.

[rumatt]

Awesome. It'll be epic. I think the car will live up to your expectations. You have never driven one, right?
I hope so! And yes I've never driven one. 10 years of window shopping and I ended up buying a car I've never driven with seats I've never sat in. Sounds exactly like the way I tend do do things. :toetap::lol:


I honestly the Cayman R best modern mid-engined porsche to own and keep forever.
I can see doing exactly that. Let's get together some time and swap rides.