Might try to buy this 981 Cayman. Advice?

[rumatt]

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=449336517

In summary - loaded Cayman S, still under warranty, with PDK ($3,200), Torque Vectoring ($1,320), PASM ($1,790), Sport Chrono package (2,370), Sport steering wheel, premium package ($1,170), infotainment package w/ bose ($3,990), etc. $18k+ in options - please see sale bill picture for full list."

Pros:
- lots of performance-related options that I like and are rare
- It's my favorite color, which is fairly rare
- I can take the subway from my apartment to pick it up
- I really liked the (base) PDK 981 I drove today
- It has some warranty left (~5 months)

Cons:
- I'm only partly sold on PDK. Both times I've driven a dual clutch my logical brain was shockingly impressed, while my purist brain dismissed it entirely
- It's not a 987.2 (which don't seem to exist btw.. Unicorns, I tell you)
- For only 10k more I could buy a brand new base 718-ubaru :speechle: and have 4 years of warranty

I'm waiting on higher-res pics but I'm pretty tempted to just buy it and see what happens.

[JST]

It looks like a nice car. For me personally the pdk would be a deal breaker, but if you don't mind them they do have some advantages.

I bought my car at about the same point in its lifecycle as this one (a few months of factory warranty), and have had it for seven years, so...

[John V]

PDK is cool, and I'd really like to do a long-term trial of one, but chickened out and bought a manual, which I love.

Incidentally, Matt, if you get a stick shift one there are a few pretty easy tweaks that you can do to the shifter to eliminate the factory built-in slop. :)

[bren]

Sounds nice. I can't help with anything else. :lol:

I think I'd like PDK, but I generally like SMG too, so what do I know.

[zach]

You're going to buy a Cayman with an automatic?

[kognito]

12K miles and it needs tires? Is this normal for these cars? or just driven very hard?

[wdc330i]

12K miles and it needs tires? Is this normal for these cars? or just driven very hard?

That's probably not surprising if they're summers.

[John V]

they wear out rear tires pretty fast. Fronts, not so much. They dial in quite a bit of toe-in at the rear of the car, for reasons that maybe Clyde wants to explain. :eeps:

[rumatt]

You're going to buy a Cayman with an automatic?
I know, right? I drive around in a shitty old wagon because I insisted on a manual but I'm considering this? :lol: :banghead:

[Insert list of PDK defenses here]

[rumatt]

they wear out rear tires pretty fast. Fronts, not so much. They dial in quite a bit of toe-in at the rear of the car, for reasons that maybe Clyde wants to explain. :eeps:
Is your toe-in removed or reduced for street use?

When autocrossing, GJ and I aligned the rear of my e46 at zero toe and zero camber. We had no idea what we were doing but it seemed cool at the time. And it was accurate because it was on his fancy machine at work.

Sure there's some snap oversteer at high speed, but the tire wear is better so I left it :lol: :speechle: But that was 10+ years ago so who knows what it is now.

[bren]

12K miles and it needs tires? Is this normal for these cars? or just driven very hard?
Sounds normal. Looking at the pics they appear to have some tread remaining.

The PSS seem to last a lot longer than anything else I've had on the m3, but I don't think anything up to this point has gone past 12-15k miles on the rear.

... that was 10+ years ago so who knows what it is now.

Mine [bushings] are so worn the toe is dynamic. I figure people pay extra for rear-steer, now I get it for free. :ack::lol:

[rumatt]

Mine bushings are so worn the toe is dynamic. I figure people pay extra for rear-steer, now I get it for free. :ack::lol:
:lol:

Exactly.

[JST]

Sounds normal. Looking at the pics they appear to have some tread remaining.

The PSS seem to last a lot longer than anything else I've had on the m3, but I don't think anything up to this point has gone past 12-15k miles on the rear.



Mine [bushings] are so worn the toe is dynamic. I figure people pay extra for rear-steer, now I get it for free. :ack::lol:

Plus if you are really using the car hard (i.e., tracking or autocrossing it), you won't get anywhere near 12K miles out of the tires...

[John V]

Sounds normal. Looking at the pics they appear to have some tread remaining.

The PSS seem to last a lot longer than anything else I've had on the m3, but I don't think anything up to this point has gone past 12-15k miles on the rear.



Mine [bushings] are so worn the toe is dynamic. I figure people pay extra for rear-steer, now I get it for free. :ack::lol:

Dude. Just drop it off and I'll replace the bushing for you. :lol:

P.S. bring the tool with you :D

Matt - I still have the stock rear alignment on the Boxster. I maxed out the front camber and reset the front toe to zero right when I got it because they're so front-grip-limited out of the box.

[bren]

Dude. Just drop it off and I'll replace the bushing for you. :lol:

P.S. bring the tool with you :D


I really should. The tool and bushings have been sitting on my bench for like a year now. I thought about doing it this weekend, but ended up tearing into the vette instead. Not sure what I was thinking there. :speechle:

[Plaz]

Sounds normal. Looking at the pics they appear to have some tread remaining.

The PSS seem to last a lot longer than anything else I've had on the m3, but I don't think anything up to this point has gone past 12-15k miles on the rear.



Mine [bushings] are so worn the toe is dynamic. I figure people pay extra for rear-steer, now I get it for free. :ack::lol:

:lol:

Exactly.

:lol:

[rumatt]

Window sticker

[JST]

Window sticker

Red seat belts? Fancy!

[wdc330i]

Window sticker

Buying it?

[rumatt]

Buying it?

Maybe? :lol:

Going to try to see it tomorrow night.

I asked about the dent in the rear fender and this is what I got

Apart from the stuff on autotrader - dint, rims, and the tires - it's really clean. The dint in the rear bumper was the result of a cab hard-bumping me at a stop light. No noises, vibrations, mechanical issues. Was just serviced and is under warranty. If you're serious you can drive before buying.

Followed up asking if any work was done after the "hard-bump"


Right exhaust and bumper support piece were replaced. Chose to leave the bumper as is - it's a small thing visually. All Porsche certified work. To give you a sense of the severity of the bump, the traffic cop at the scene was an appraiser and said there was no damage. I nonetheless filed a police report out of an abundance of caution. But the car was fine. Drove for 2 months, including a trip to Virginia, and the car was perfect both mechanically and visually (apart from the dint). Then when i knew I was going to sell car I had checked and they identified the damage. Which was pretty minor but I nonetheless had all (the two) structural things repaired.

Most importantly, I learned a new word today: dint.

[wdc330i]

By dint of complete honesty, he revealed the structural damage.

At any rate, I'd ask to see the invoice for the repairs...

[John V]

Dint is the redneck word for dent. Like tar is the redneck word for tire, Ole for oil, etc

[Sharp11]

Maybe? :lol:

Going to try to see it tomorrow night.

I asked about the dent in the rear fender and this is what I got



Followed up asking if any work was done after the "hard-bump"



Most importantly, I learned a new word today: dint.

Anecdotal evidence from a "traffic cop at the scene" raises flags.

He says all work was Porsche certified, ask for invoices.

[rumatt]

Dint is the redneck word for dent. Like tar is the redneck word for tire, Ole for oil, etc

His name is Redmond Ingalls and from what I can tell his family donates significant money to Yale's hockey team.

Not your traditional redneck :bustingup

[rumatt]

Anecdotal evidence from a "traffic cop at the scene" raises flags.
Yeah that was pretty lame.

[Josh (PA)]

Maybe? :lol:


Most importantly, I learned a new word today: dint.

So it's a Toyota then? Cool, just be sure to send Clyde a pic for the Camry Corner Facebook page.

Being a NY car, I doubt that is the first or last time someone bumped it. Isn't parallel parking purely by feel?

[rumatt]

Being a NY car, I doubt that is the first or last time someone bumped it. Isn't parallel parking purely by feel?

Man do I get annoyed when I see people do that. :irate:

[JST]

"Trip to Virginia" = VIR?

[clyde]

they wear out rear tires pretty fast. Fronts, not so much. They dial in quite a bit of toe-in at the rear of the car, for reasons that maybe Clyde wants to explain. :eeps:

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Wait. Not funny. Talk about first impressions and damaged goods. Sigh...two years down the drain.

[SARAFIL]

Did you run a carfax? If the incident was reported to police it's probably on there (just about anything in NY makes it on the carfax). If so, it'll have an impact on future resale so you should adjust your target price accordingly.

[lip277]

Normally, for me - PDK would be a no go.

But - I don't live in NYC. That changes things....

Regardless - nice car :)
I almost ended up with an early Cayman. Hesitated just long enough to have it slip away and let me find the 997 I have now. Still - I think the Cayman would have been a good choice too.

Good luck

[rumatt]

Did you run a carfax? If the incident was reported to police it's probably on there (just about anything in NY makes it on the carfax). If so, it'll have an impact on future resale so you should adjust your target price accordingly.
Good point.

The "AutoCheck" claimed no accidents, but I will run a carfax (unless someone has the unlimited?)

[rumatt]

Normally, for me - PDK would be a no go.

But - I don't live in NYC. That changes things....

This car wouldn't make it to NYC all that often.

But even if it did - my consideration of the PDK has nothing to do with reduced effort. There's a certain appeal - which I wasn't expecting - to knowing the PDK is far better at shifting than I ever could be. On one hand you're bummed that you no longer get to play, but at the same time you respect the excellence of what you're witnessing.

But yeah, I'm conflicted. I could see circling the drain on this one too. :lol::ack:

[bren]

On one hand you're bummed that you no longer get to play....


Why not? Are there no paddles?

The only thing you really give up is the clutch pedal, no?

[kognito]

yeah, check the carfax. you will feel bad if you dint check it! Dint the white one come with CPO warranty? Sounds like a safer deal.

But what do I know, dint listen to me :lol::lol:

[bren]

I would have a hard time buying a car from someone who can't spell "dent". A real hard time.

[JST]

I would have a hard time buying a car from someone who can't spell "dent". A real hard time.

At least he didn't call it a "bumber."

[JST]

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2006-porsche-cayman-s-4/

Interesting alternative. Bidding is already at 23.5 for this car, which has some minor accident history, some minor track history, and needs new tires and new cats.

That seems like a lot of money for a nice but nowhere near pristine car. Makes me feel better about my 2006...

[bren]

ooh, even has PCCB. I was looking for one of those before buying the z06.

[JST]

ooh, even has PCCB. I was looking for one of those before buying the z06.

The guys I know with PCCB that tracked their cars all took the carbon rotors off and stored them and just used iron rotors, which are straight swaps on the PCCB cars.

The rotors aren't worth as much as the car, but they're probably worth as much as the engine. I don't really see the advantage to having them.

[bren]

The guys I know with PCCB that tracked their cars all took the carbon rotors off and stored them and just used iron rotors, which are straight swaps on the PCCB cars.

The rotors aren't worth as much as the car, but they're probably worth as much as the engine. I don't really see the advantage to having them.

Weight. Autox use makes you do silly things. ;)

[Jeff_DML]

cayman S is a great option if two seats work for you. :cool: Not sure if I could stomach the non-s with the 2.7l.

As for the latest version with the boosted 4 cylinder, I think a used flat 6 is the way to go. I am softening on my MT only stance, PDK sounds like the best auto transmission you can get(blah blah tesla 1 speed...:D)

Good luck and hope it works out. Yeah check out carfax since autocheck failed to report a accident for me.

[Theo]

So if you are considering a Dual Clutch then why not test out the RS3 sedan or TT-RS when they both get here this year?

400hp Quattro and probably less then the P-Car new to new.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2018-audi-rs3-sedan-deep-dive-styling-chassis-and-more-feature

[Sharp11]

This car wouldn't make it to NYC all that often.

But even if it did - my consideration of the PDK has nothing to do with reduced effort. There's a certain appeal - which I wasn't expecting - to knowing the PDK is far better at shifting than I ever could be. On one hand you're bummed that you no longer get to play, but at the same time you respect the excellence of what you're witnessing.

But yeah, I'm conflicted. I could see circling the drain on this one too. :lol::ack:

Keep an open mind, the new DCT's are great and fit the techie nature of many of these new cars. The Audi TT comes to mind, as does the M4.

[JST]

So if you are considering a Dual Clutch then why not test out the RS3 sedan or TT-RS when they both get here this year?

400hp Quattro and probably less then the P-Car new to new.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2018-audi-rs3-sedan-deep-dive-styling-chassis-and-more-feature

Or the S3 sedan, for that matter.

If you're willing to stomach a DCT/PDK, a whole lot of options open up.

Which is not to say you shouldn't buy a Porsche, because you should.

[Josh (PA)]

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=423191718&zip=19087&modelCode1=CAYMAN&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D19087%26showcas eOwnerId%3D97056%26startYear%3D2010%26vehicleStyle Codes%3DCOUPE%26endYear%3D2016%26modelCodeList%3DC AYMAN%26transmissionCode%3DMAN%26makeCodeList%3DPO R%26transmissionCodes%3DMAN%26modelCode1%3DCAYMAN% 26mmt%3D%255BPOR%255BCAYMAN%255BCAYMAN%25257CGT4%2 55ECAYMAN%25257CGTS%255ECAYMAN%25257CR%255ECAYMAN% 25257CS%255ECAYMAN%25257CS%252BBlack%252BEdition%2 55ECAYMAN%25257CS%252BDesign%252BEdition%252B1%255 ECAYMAN%25257CS%252BSport%255D%255D%255B%255D%255D %26trim1%3DCAYMAN%257CGT4%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceA SC%26makeCode1%3DPOR%26maxPrice%3D55000%26firstRec ord%3D0%26searchRadius%3D200%26trimCodeList%3DCAYM AN%257CGT4%252CCAYMAN%257CGTS%252CCAYMAN%257CR%252 CCAYMAN%257CS%252CCAYMAN%257CS%2BBlack%2BEdition%2 52CCAYMAN%257CS%2BDesign%2BEdition%2B1%252CCAYMAN% 257CS%2BSport&showcaseOwnerId=97056&startYear=2010&numRecords=25&makeCode1=POR&maxPrice=55000&vehicleStyleCodes=COUPE&firstRecord=0&endYear=2016&searchRadius=200&makeCode1=POR&modelCode1=CAYMAN

I like this black better, it has the right transmission, no accidents, more miles, but less $$$?

[TD]

Or the S3 sedan, for that matter.

If you're willing to stomach a DCT/PDK, a whole lot of options open up.

Which is not to say you shouldn't buy a Porsche, because you should.
If I was transmission-insensitive, I think I'd already have a new S3.

[bren]

I like this black better, it has the right transmission, no accidents, more miles, but less $$$?Too lazy to look up the vin, but I don't see mention of the "performance" options that the other car has.

If I was transmission-insensitive, I think I'd already have a new S3.

What did you drive to work today?

[TD]

Too lazy to look up the vin, but I don't see mention of the "performance" options that the other car has.



What did you drive to work today?
When I saw it pop on my phone that someone had replied to this post of mine, I knew what it was going to say before I read it.

I am not tolerant of driving an automatic. That I happen to do so a few times a week doesn't change that.

But thanks for the love.

[Plaz]

:lol:

[JST]

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=423191718&zip=19087&modelCode1=CAYMAN&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D19087%26showcas eOwnerId%3D97056%26startYear%3D2010%26vehicleStyle Codes%3DCOUPE%26endYear%3D2016%26modelCodeList%3DC AYMAN%26transmissionCode%3DMAN%26makeCodeList%3DPO R%26transmissionCodes%3DMAN%26modelCode1%3DCAYMAN% 26mmt%3D%255BPOR%255BCAYMAN%255BCAYMAN%25257CGT4%2 55ECAYMAN%25257CGTS%255ECAYMAN%25257CR%255ECAYMAN% 25257CS%255ECAYMAN%25257CS%252BBlack%252BEdition%2 55ECAYMAN%25257CS%252BDesign%252BEdition%252B1%255 ECAYMAN%25257CS%252BSport%255D%255D%255B%255D%255D %26trim1%3DCAYMAN%257CGT4%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceA SC%26makeCode1%3DPOR%26maxPrice%3D55000%26firstRec ord%3D0%26searchRadius%3D200%26trimCodeList%3DCAYM AN%257CGT4%252CCAYMAN%257CGTS%252CCAYMAN%257CR%252 CCAYMAN%257CS%252CCAYMAN%257CS%2BBlack%2BEdition%2 52CCAYMAN%257CS%2BDesign%2BEdition%2B1%252CCAYMAN% 257CS%2BSport&showcaseOwnerId=97056&startYear=2010&numRecords=25&makeCode1=POR&maxPrice=55000&vehicleStyleCodes=COUPE&firstRecord=0&endYear=2016&searchRadius=200&makeCode1=POR&modelCode1=CAYMAN

I like this black better, it has the right transmission, no accidents, more miles, but less $$$?


That vehicle's been in inventory for more than a year?

[Jeff_DML]

So if you are considering a Dual Clutch then why not test out the RS3 sedan or TT-RS when they both get here this year?

400hp Quattro and probably less then the P-Car new to new.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2018-audi-rs3-sedan-deep-dive-styling-chassis-and-more-feature

because nose heavy fwd biased awd car? :dunno:

[Alan]

So if you are considering a Dual Clutch then why not test out the RS3 sedan or TT-RS when they both get here this year?

400hp Quattro and probably less then the P-Car new to new.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2018-audi-rs3-sedan-deep-dive-styling-chassis-and-more-feature

Wow that RS3 is going to be a badass car ... I know how fun to drive my sons A3 is and this RS3 takes it to a completely different level.

Also love the new TT ...

[Alan]

I am not sure if PDK would work for Matt ... I love my R Tronic transmission in my R8 (single clutch like Bren's car) and think the DCT I drove in the M4 was pretty awesome but I know some of you here will only drive a Manual transmission and Matt is a die hard Manual guy.

With that said buying a car that is a few years old is a good way to test it out ... this way if you can't stand it you won't lose too much.

Matt ... what is making this particular car so good that you don't want to find one with a manual ... is it because it is local or you want to try out a PDK? If because it's local keep in mind you can always find a Cayman online and have a local dealer check it out for you. My Brother in law bought a used Panamera from a used car dealer a few states away and he had the local Porsche dealer check it out for him ... they were extremely thorough to the point that some things had to be fixed before he agreed to the purchase and the mechanic sent him an entire video on the car.

[equ]

As the 981S owner on the board, perhaps I should comment. I now have 5k miles on mine.

I love DBM, had my 997.2 in that color. The spec is great other than PDK. Last year, I drove a whole bunch of porsches, caymans, boxsters, 991's, 997's. I always came back to the 981S. Even after (brief) GT4 stewardship, that was the sweet spot for me. Yes, the gearing is long and you wait a moment to rev it up, but the sound and chassis are delightful. They feel as fast in a straight line (if not faster) than the base 991 and the chassis is "funner" for me. PASM, PTV and either the 14 or 18-way seats (because I need lumbar) were my requirements, so I think the spec is great.... Except PDK is a no go for me, personally. The shifting on this car is delightful and smoother than the 987.1 or 987.2, both of which I have owned. Perhaps the smoothest/lightest shifting porsche manual ever. The only slight minuses with respect to 987.2's are slightly taller gearing (same box/final but taller tires :wtf ) and reduced steering feel. These are overcome by availability (the window for finding the perfect 987.2 has come and gone except for unicorns), still high prices, not as good chassis, brakes, interior and stock, non-PSE sound.

The chassis is awesome and the increased front grip over the 987 is apparent. The 987 drove like a trapezoid, the rear of the car felt noticeably wider. The 981 is much wider up front, noticeably so. The brakes feel better finally.

With partially worn Pirelli's the car can actually rotate too much on tight turns with 2nd gear throttle. Sure if I were auto-x'ing, more alignment would be necessary.

Once in a while I get back in the rock/paper/scissors of boxster/cayman/911. Caymans are awesome and I'd have one in a heartbeat, after having spent six years in them, I'm happy to have something different with the drop top, with 98% of the dynamics.

One big minus for a cyclist, is that 981 cayman cannot take roof racks while 997, 991 and 987 caymans can.

[Jeff_DML]

I agree with AF, find the one you want even if that requires shipping. A New York car scares the hell out of me :eeps:

>>>>>

I take it

986 == 996
987 == 997
981 == 991

[Jeff_DML]

because nose heavy fwd biased awd car? :dunno:

First time I heard this, did they create a new awd for the rs? I thought haldex would overheat when biasing to the rear.

Under normal conditions, around 80 percent of output heads rear*ward.

finally

That’s why it’s been allowed to develop a new, all-aluminum version of its five-cylinder turbocharged engine,

[rumatt]

Matt ... what is making this particular car so good that you don't want to find one with a manual ... is it because it is local or you want to try out a PDK?
I think I was somewhat enamored by the PDK I drove. Combine that with this one showing up down the road in the color I like and options I want.... I was ready to jump.

I'm still considering it, but currently leaning toward letting it go.

Thanks for all the discussion.... again!

[rumatt]

Under normal conditions, around 80 percent of output heads rear*ward.
Whoa, that changes things..

[Alan]

I agree with AF, find the one you want even if that requires shipping. A New York car scares the hell out of me :eeps:

>>>>>

I take it

986 == 996
987 == 997
981 == 991

I'd like to agree with you except you added that last part ... a NY car scares you ??

Why ??

[rumatt]

Why ??
I think he means a NYC car. Lots of stop and go, valet drivers, etc

[Jeff_DML]

I think he means a NYC car. Lots of stop and go, valet drivers, etc

Yes plus snow/weather:)

[wdc330i]

What about a droptop? http://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/977038-2015-porsche-boxster-gts.html

[Theo]

YES PLEASE. Maybe in 6y when it gets to a price I want to pay.

[Josh (PA)]

hell, if we can convince to go convertible:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=425445668&zip=19335&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D19335%26showcas eOwnerId%3D97056%26listingTypes%3Dcertified%252Cus ed%26startYear%3D2014%26incremental%3Dall%26firstR ecord%3D0%26endYear%3D2016%26modelCodeList%3DBOXST E%26makeCodeList%3DPOR%26searchRadius%3D0%26trimCo deList%3DBOXSTE%257CGTS&listingTypes=certified%2Cused&startYear=2014&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&endYear=2016&modelCodeList=BOXSTE&makeCodeList=POR&searchRadius=0&makeCode1=POR&modelCode1=BOXSTE

[rumatt]

What about a droptop?
Nope nope nope

No sunroofs, no convertibles.

[Jeff_DML]

..

No sunroofs....

glad you are searching for cayman's since 911 without one is very hard to come by. Even bloody gt3 have them.

[Alan]

I think he means a NYC car. Lots of stop and go, valet drivers, etc

Agreed on this ... plus the pot holes too

Yes plus snow/weather:)


It really depends on the part of NY where you live in regards to what they do to the roads after a storm ... where I live (Long Island) they use sand but my son was telling me in upstate NY they use some type of product that must contain some salt product because his car gets covered in a white coating.

BUT and this is a BIG BUT if it's a special car like your 911 turbo chances are that car is seeing a garage only and would never see any snow, salt or sand. I haven't seen a single Lambo, Ferrari or Porsche in my neighborhood in months though I have seen the Maserati's (heck they are AWD sedans) :D

[dan]

What about a droptop? http://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/977038-2015-porsche-boxster-gts.html

Rain drop?

[Josh (PA)]

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=437543482&zip=19087&modelCode1=Z4&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D19087%26showcas eOwnerId%3D68787329%26startYear%3D1981%26vehicleSt yleCodes%3DCOUPE%26endYear%3D2018%26modelCodeList% 3DBMWMCOUPE%252CZ4%26makeCodeList%3DBMW%26modelCod e1%3DZ4%26mmt%3D%255BBMW%255BBMWMCOUPE%255B%255DZ4 %255B%255D%255D%255B%255D%255D%26modelCode2%3DBMWM COUPE%26makeCode2%3DBMW%26makeCode1%3DBMW%26firstR ecord%3D0%26searchRadius%3D25&showcaseOwnerId=68787329&startYear=1981&numRecords=25&makeCode1=BMW&vehicleStyleCodes=COUPE&firstRecord=0&endYear=2018&searchRadius=25&makeCode1=BMW&modelCode1=BMWMCOUPE

just buy this and be happy.

Or this:
https://www.bmwcca.org/ads/137151

[rumatt]

$70k! Holy shit.

[Josh (PA)]

the M coupe is $45k

[wdc330i]

Enthusiast won't even say what they want for this example of a 1M: http://enthusiastauto.com/qsearch/?id=5501&form_display=51

[wdc330i]

the M coupe is $45k

Sweet ad, too:

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This car has been a passion of mine since I bought it but due to my older age I have difficulty getting in and out of the car. The interior is flawless and the exterior is a 9 out of 10. Extremely rare car that has less 10k miles of it. There were only 150 cars made ever with the imola red exterior and black interior!! The car is loaded with nav, bluetooth, heated seats, xenon lights, and so forth. Make me an offer if you are interested as I do not have to sell the car, but would like to get it to a home where the driver enjoys it as much as I used to.

[kognito]

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Seller Comments
This car has been a passion of mine since I bought it but due to my older age I have difficulty getting in and out of the car. The interior is flawless and the exterior is a 9 out of 10. Extremely rare car that has less 10k miles of it. There were only 150 cars made ever with the imola red exterior and black interior!! The car is loaded with nav, bluetooth, heated seats, xenon lights, and so forth. Make me an offer if you are interested as I do not have to sell the car, but would like to get it to a home where the driver enjoys it as much as I used to.

I like that there is another BMW and an Audi in the driveway!

[equ]

That Boxster GTS would not be a bad deal if he came down a few K. I actually have run into its seller a number of times, he used to have a 997 turbo with some nice wheels and help run the rennlist fall drives into the hills. We were shopping at the same shop once or twice, looking at 991's and 981's. He really identified with that turbo, I'm not sure why he sold it.

Some NYC cars are ok, but generally not. We were lucky with our e39. It was driven less than 6k miles/year, usually on the weekends, and garaged in Manhattan. It helps to buy from someone who is either older, richer, doesn't have kids/dogs etc. or a combination thereof. Those concerns diminish for 2-seaters, but you can tell a lot from a car's condition.

Just took the 981S out for a spin, what a lovely machine. Not that fast at low revs, but sounds good at all revs and loads. A joy with the 6-speed.

[clyde]

Did you buy it yet?

[rumatt]

Nope

[clyde]

Nope

How about now?

[John V]

the M coupe is $45k

Did stuka take the photos?

[clyde]

Did stuka take the photos?

Stuka was the best photographer, tremendous photographer I have to tell you. The best pictures, Stuka, tremendous, really, when you think about.

[Plaz]

:lol:

[Josh (PA)]

Matt, check out the z4m. I really think you'll like it.

[rumatt]

Matt, check out the z4m. I really think you'll like it.
I've been toying with the idea. But I just never really liked how they look. Superficial I know, but..

[clyde]

I've been toying with the idea. But I just never really liked how they look. Superficial I know, but..

So you just bought a Cayman, then?

[rumatt]

So you just bought a Cayman, then?
I don't know what you're on but I want some. :lol:

[John V]

I've been toying with the idea. But I just never really liked how they look. Superficial I know, but..

If it helps, they don't really drive that well either.

[rumatt]

If it helps, they don't really drive that well either.
It helps. :)

[John V]

Maybe when you come down you should take the Boxster for a spin. I know you're not a convertible guy, but... :)

[rumatt]

Maybe when you come down you should take the Boxster for a spin. I know you're not a convertible guy, but... :)
Yes please.

But be careful. I might just drive it home.

[Josh (PA)]

Yes please.

But be careful. I might just drive it home.

doubt it.


To JV's point, they drive differently, more of a muscle car feel about them, less precise than a 98x more 'manly'. They are much more old school BMW like. i figured since you keep trying out caymans and not falling for their feel, the z4m is probably more your preferred experience.

[John V]

That's a valid point. They are very different. The Z4M feels much faster. It kind of reminds me of an old Corvette more than an old BMW, though. A really stiff suspension with little in the way of handling precision.

[clyde]

That's a valid point. They are very different. The Z4M feels much faster. It kind of reminds me of an old Corvette more than an old BMW, though. A really stiff suspension with little in the way of handling precision.

Which gen corvette are you thinking? The C1-3 weren't precise handling, but the c4 was. The c4 just felt like it was built of 37,000 individual parts.

Figured c5 and newer are too new to be considered "old."

[equ]

I'm closer, you can take my 981S for a spin as well, 6-speed, PASM, PTV.

The Z4M and the 981S are diametrically opposite. Even though comparable on paper...

[Plaz]

I've been toying with the idea. But I just never really liked how they look. Superficial I know, but..

Strange, I always found them super sexy. High on both the hot and crazy axises, just like Aubrey. :lol:

[rumatt]

I'm closer, you can take my 981S for a spin as well, 6-speed, PASM, PTV.

That would be awesome. I'd love to.

My main issue of indecisiveness is not being able to get enough seat time. There are so few available and the test drive seems like it's over in 2 minutes.

[John V]

Which gen corvette are you thinking? The C1-3 weren't precise handling, but the c4 was. The c4 just felt like it was built of 37,000 individual parts.

Figured c5 and newer are too new to be considered "old."

I disagree. The C4 isn't precise. It's a blunt instrument. Very effective, very fun, but not precise.

[clyde]

I disagree. The C4 isn't precise. It's a blunt instrument. Very effective, very fun, but not precise.

It's not lithe and has absolutely no refinement, but it goes exactly where you want, whether you use the wheel, throttle or brake to point it where you want it pointed. Exact and accurate. Every time. Until something breaks. Again.

[JST]

So, it's kind of like a BMW 330?

[Sharp11]

In some respects, Z4's felt like the car the Corvette wanted to be - a bit hooligan, but solidly built.

[Josh (PA)]

I'm closer, you can take my 981S for a spin as well, 6-speed, PASM, PTV.

The Z4M and the 981S are diametrically opposite. Even though comparable on paper...

My buddy and I took advantage of the amazing weather on Friday and swapped cars for a couple hour lunch drive. I took his 987.2 and he followed in my 1er. It was a blast. The cars do have very different personalities. Both are very enjoyable, but at the end I was happy to get back in my 1er. The extra power of an S would help a lot probably. He preferred the power, transmission and usability of the 1, but thought the streering was too slow ratioed and pointed out that it was ugly :(

[bren]

Until something breaks. Again.

:lol:

:ack:

:irate:

[rumatt]

My buddy and I took advantage of the amazing weather on Friday and swapped cars for a couple hour lunch drive.
Fun!
and pointed out that it was ugly :(
:lol:

[John V]

So, it's kind of like a BMW 330?

Kinda

[JST]

Another one on BaT.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2006-porsche-cayman-s-5/

I'd be a little hestitant about this one just because it doesn't have *enough* miles, but otherwise it looks like a nice car.

[rumatt]

Another one on BaT.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2006-porsche-cayman-s-5/

I'd be a little hestitant about this one just because it doesn't have *enough* miles, but otherwise it looks like a nice car.
Looks like Bat has a user named JST also. And he drives the same year Boxster as you!

[Plaz]

Looks like Bat has a user named JST also. And he drives the same year Boxster as you!
http://i.imgur.com/b2sJeEv.jpg

[John V]

So, Matt, what did you think of the Boxster?

[rumatt]

You're going to buy a Cayman with an automatic?
11167

[Plaz]

:lol:

[zach]

:lol: