BMW M2

[rumatt]

Looks like it'll soon come with the 400 HP S55 Engine

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1329532

I have no interest in the CS version, but I am stuck on the idea that everyone is raving about the B58 engine in the new 240i, while the M2 is still using an N55. People are posting videos of the 240 keeping up with or beating the M2 during rolling starts, and there are predictions that the M2 will switch to a beefed up B58 at some point.




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[Alan]

Are these races rwd vs awd ? BMW really needs to go to AWD with these M cars, I know from my test drives with the M4's they are just too powerful at speeds under 50 and the rear tires can spin.
I had a similar problem with my 650i, you couldn't take off off the line as the traction control would kick right in, that car needed awd too.

[bren]

This should be interesting, but it isn't. I just can't bring myself to care about the m2. :dunno:

[rumatt]

Are these races rwd vs awd ?
RWD, baby.

This should be interesting, but it isn't. I just can't bring myself to care about the m2. :dunno:
Remind me what you guys dislike so much about the M2?

[wdc330i]

My next car will probably be the M240 with LSD (convertible). Still debating about whether to go AWD, too.

[bren]

Remind me what you guys dislike so much about the M2?

I don't have any real objective reason, and since I haven't driven one, I can't really say I "dislike" it. It just doesn't interest me like it probably should.

[rumatt]

My next car will probably be the M240 with LSD (convertible). Still debating about whether to go AWD, too.

Just drive it first to make sure you don't hate the steering.

And if you go xDrive you can't get manual transmission.

[wdc330i]

Just drive it first to make sure you don't hate the steering.

And if you go xDrive you can't get manual transmission.

I'd not get a stick. Not for a daily. Perhaps for a future weekend car.

I hated the steering in the spouse's new X5, until I put it in sport mode. Then it weighted up OK. Still not as nice as the E91, but tolerable.

I will drive to make sure.

[Josh (PA)]

It seems to me the one thing the M2 didn't need was more power. A folding roof, yes... more power, no.

[Jeff_DML]

yeah it seems odd that they would put the S55 in it unless the CS is a limited run ala M4 GTS style $$$ car.

I would think they update it with the lightly tuned version of the B58. Probably more efficient to do that from the manufacturing point of view since I think the 2 series and M2 are built in the same factory.


Anybody see that thread about the custom color M2? seems like BMW fully builds the M2 then ships it do another factory for a full repaint. Thus the paint job was $35k or something

[wdc330i]

$35K. :lol:

[Alan]

RWD, baby.


Remind me what you guys dislike so much about the M2?

So a RWD M2 versus RWD M240 and the M240 wins ? Are the rear differentials the same ? What is reason the M240 is slightly faster off the line ?


As far as liking the M2 ... I think it is an awesome car so you could put me in the category of 'love it' ... no doubt if you get one it is a truly special and a very rare car !!!

[Jeff_DML]

So a RWD M2 versus RWD M240 and the M240 wins ? Are the rear differentials the same ? What is reason the M240 is slightly faster off the line ?


As far as liking the M2 ... I think it is an awesome car so you could put me in the category of 'love it' ... no doubt if you get one it is a truly special and a very rare car !!!

M2 has a LSD as standard. The M240 has a port installed optional $3k or so LSD.

[equ]

Rum, do you have an M2 on order?

[wdc330i]

M2 has a LSD as standard. The M240 has a port installed optional $3k or so LSD.

$2,500.

[rumatt]

$2,500.
I think I might actually prefer a 240i + lsd to an M2 but I am worried the steering is so fucked up it'll drive me nuts for years to come.

I will go drive another and see if I can get a better feel for it.

[rumatt]

Rum, do you have an M2 on order?
Nope. Can't seem to pull the trigger.

[John V]

Are these races rwd vs awd ? BMW really needs to go to AWD with these M cars, I know from my test drives with the M4's they are just too powerful at speeds under 50 and the rear tires can spin.

So... modulate the pressure on your right foot? :dunno:

I'm not in the market for one of these and likely will never be but AWD would ruin a car like this for me.

[Jeff_DML]

$2,500.

Then you got to pay to get it installed?

[zach]

I think I might actually prefer a 240i + lsd to an M2 but I am worried the steering is so fucked up it'll drive me nuts for years to come.

I will go drive another and see if I can get a better feel for it.

No, get the m2.

[wdc330i]

Then you got to pay to get it installed?

No, it's a selectable "accessory" on the the build your own site. No fine print about labor/dealer charges....

[bren]

I think I might actually prefer a 240i + lsd to an M2 .


Yeah, that's just silly talk.

My major reservation on the m2 is due to my experience with the dynamics of our x3. The steering is like a rubber band between the wheel and the tires, and the gas pedal has a stupid lag when you try to accelerate from a stop that is just maddening.

[Jeff_DML]

Yeah, that's just silly talk.

My major reservation on the m2 is due to my experience with the dynamics of our x3. The steering is like a rubber band between the wheel and the tires, and the gas pedal has a stupid lag when you try to accelerate from a stop that is just maddening.

Agree, m240 might feel nice on test drive but handling will fall apart anything above 80%

[Jeff_DML]

No, it's a selectable "accessory" on the the build your own site. No fine print about labor/dealer charges....

hmm, interesting.


Still should be under $1k though IMHO and $45k to start:ack:

EDIT: Only adding the LSD then you are $4500 cheaper then a M2. But M2 has Nav/leather standard if you care about that stuff....Also resale value.

[Biggins]

Agree, m240 might feel nice on test drive but handling will fall apart anything above 80%
I've only ever driven the M-Sport 228i through a slalom and a skidpad, and I thought it was great even with bad runflats. However, I would suspect the M2 is way better in all elements. :dunno:

Also resale, but I think that was mentioned.

I want an M2, but I'm just hoping they depreciate better than the 1M.

[wdc330i]

I would get the M2 as well, were it not for the fixed roof thing.

[rumatt]

My major reservation on the m2 is due to my experience with the dynamics of our x3. The steering is like a rubber band between the wheel and the tires, and the gas pedal has a stupid lag when you try to accelerate from a stop that is just maddening.

The M2 steering is very different. No dead spot on center, and no weird inconsistent resistance.

It still has a different feel from an older hydrolic but it's nothing like the garbage in the current 3-series.

I would get the M2 as well, were it not for the fixed roof thing.

The fixed roof is one of the good parts! :D

[FC]

Many ifs here, but...

If the M2 gran coupe turns out to be a functional sedan, and if I haven't bought something else by the time it's available, and if it turns out to be a as good as the M2 appears to be for the same price as the current M2, I would happily buy that car.

[Josh (PA)]

I would get the M2 as well, were it not for the fixed roof thing.

This. It's the only thing keeping me from being seriously interested.

[rumatt]

M2 gran coupe
Hmmm how did I miss this?

[equ]

The M2 steering is very different. No dead spot on center, and no weird inconsistent resistance.

It still has a different feel from an older hydrolic but it's nothing like the garbage in the current 3-series.



The fixed roof is one of the good parts! :D

In 2009, I drove a 335i and a (then new) v8 m3 back to back. Just the suspension & steering were worlds, worlds apart. Supple/firm awesomeness on one and sloppy on the other. I'd expect the similar. I can't imagine 240i+lsd will come close... I'd go for the M2 if I were you.

[Josh (PA)]

Hmmm how did I miss this?

It is vaporware. Low chance of existance in the G4x next gen platform.

[Alan]

In 2009, I drove a 335i and a (then new) v8 m3 back to back. Just the suspension & steering were worlds, worlds apart. Supple/firm awesomeness on one and sloppy on the other. I'd expect the similar. I can't imagine 240i+lsd will come close... I'd go for the M2 if I were you.

They're not worlds apart ... if anything one is slightly better than the other... the big picture is both cars are awesome ...

I had a 335 E90 and my brother has an E90 M3 (who also had a E90 328 and E90 335) ... these cars are increments apart not worlds apart ... sorry but I have to comment as anyone who says any 3 series is worlds apart from another 3 series is taking a microscope to the highest degree.

[FC]

They're not worlds apart ... if anything one is slightly better than the other... the big picture is both cars are awesome ...

I had a 335 E90 and my brother has an E90 M3 (who also had a E90 328 and E90 335) ... these cars are increments apart not worlds apart ... sorry but I have to comment as anyone who says any 3 series is worlds apart from another 3 series is taking a microscope to the highest degree.

From what I read, the F8X cars are also significantly better than the F3X cars in the way that equ describes.

[Alan]

From what I read, the F8X cars are also significantly better than the F3X cars in the way that equ describes.

I've driven a lot of F3x cars and a couple of M4's ... when a F3x rwd car is equipped with the m performance package (or whatever they call it) it does not feel that far off from the M4 . .. yes the M cars are more sports car like and have a few things that bring the F3x is a higher level but what I'm trying to say is using the expression 'worlds apart' makes it sound like it is just so much different and so much better when IMHO I think it is only a couple of rungs higher.

Btw this is not knocking an M car it is more like acknowledging what a great car the non Ms can be.

[equ]

They're not worlds apart ... if anything one is slightly better than the other... the big picture is both cars are awesome ...

I had a 335 E90 and my brother has an E90 M3 (who also had a E90 328 and E90 335) ... these cars are increments apart not worlds apart ... sorry but I have to comment as anyone who says any 3 series is worlds apart from another 3 series is taking a microscope to the highest degree.

Nope, nope. nope. Stock to stock, with michelin pilot vs. garbage RFT's, they were worlds apart. The steering and engine response, feeling of connection and quality of suspension were so different, that you did not feel like you were driving a different version of the "same car", they are different cars.

We disagree.

[rumatt]

So a RWD M2 versus RWD M240 and the M240 wins ? Are the rear differentials the same ? What is reason the M240 is slightly faster off the line ?
The M2 is faster off the line but the 240 keeps up at higher speeds. Go 1-min into this video. It's not a perfectly fair comparison (7-speed vs 8-speed) but you get the idea. The B58 looks pretty impressive.

https://youtu.be/P5C76mFjzIU

Or 35:45 in this one

https://youtu.be/cphuMPNcdTY

[Alan]

We disagree.

I agree :D

[Alan]

The M2 is faster off the line but the 240 keeps up at higher speeds. Go 1-min into this video. It's not a perfectly fair comparison (7-speed vs 8-speed) but you get the idea. The B58 looks pretty impressive.

https://youtu.be/P5C76mFjzIU

Or 35:45 in this one

https://youtu.be/cphuMPNcdTY

Wow they are seriously so close in acceleration.

[wdc330i]

Looks like Enthusiast already has an extensive collection of M2s. http://enthusiastauto.com/qsearch/?form_request=56&action=results&showres=1&1268_0=16&selLevel_1268B0D=1&selLevel_1268B1D=16&1574_0=1

[dan]

Looks like Enthusiast already has an extensive collection of M2s. http://enthusiastauto.com/qsearch/?form_request=56&action=results&showres=1&1268_0=16&selLevel_1268B0D=1&selLevel_1268B1D=16&1574_0=1

$39,000 for a 2005 M3???

$50,000 for a 2006?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???

[Theo]

I agree. The cars are probably good to go when you drive off the lot but you will NEVER get close to your money back when you sell. There prices are nuts.

[IndyMike]

If it had an 'L' in its nomenclature I would be more interested, because the current M2 is still a bit of a pig.

But regardless, either variant will likely be DCT only and even harder to get than the mere basic civic M2, which means MSRP but more likely ADM is the best one can probably hope to do.

Home alone on an island, but I'd actually rather have the ~$60k '88 E30 spartan M3 with almost 100k miles from the EAG site AF linked, than any M2 or M2 CS model with all of its standard bells; whistles; piped in noise and baked in nannies.

Hard for me to feel swell about any of the current crop of Motorsport products, even this upcoming one.

[rumatt]

piped in noise
I can't help you with most of the stuff in your list, but this one is easily fixable. Lots of reports of disabling it and saying it's much better.

[rumatt]

I just priced a 240i with the options I would get (nothing too crazy) and with the LSD it's within a few hundred dollars of the M2. :shock: :wtf:

What I like about the 240i is the gear ratios and sound levels are much better for highway driving, which I do a lot of. It has as 3.08 rear instead of a 3.46. And as previously discussed, it has about as much power. And they're withing 50 lbs of each other.

What I've loved about my 330 is that it has good feel yet is liveable on all all sorts of roads and conditions. And is a very comfortable highway car. I'm leaning toward getting one. The main issue is how much they destroyed the steering.

[wdc330i]

I just priced a 240i with the options I would get (nothing too crazy) and with the LSD it's within a few hundred dollars of the M2. :shock: :wtf:

What I like about the 240i is the gear ratios and sound levels are much better for highway driving, which I do a lot of. It has as 3.08 rear instead of a 3.46. And as previously discussed, it has about as much power. And they're withing 50 lbs of each other.

What I've loved about my 330 is that it has good feel yet is liveable on all all sorts of roads and conditions. And is a very comfortable highway car. I'm leaning toward getting one. The main issue is how much they destroyed the steering.

I've actually been able to find a couple or so lightly used 240s with LSD. They don't carry as much of a premium as the M2.

[Josh (PA)]

M cars seem like the only thing BMW has priced fairly these days. The M2 and M3 are deals compared to their non-M B58 counterparts. Resale will be much stronger on an M car than a 'regular' 2er or 3er so total cost of ownership should be less and it would be easier to get out of if you decide its not what you want. I see no reason why you'd go the 240 route i/o the M2 unless you wanted a convertible or automatic.

How is the e91 working out, BTW?

[wdc330i]

Debated here: http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1331185

[Jeff_DML]

Debated here: http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1331185

they sound like a bunch of old men

like all 'real' M cars, has a bone-rattling ride

[wdc330i]

they sound like a bunch of old men

Or wimpy Millennials ;)

[rumatt]

I see no reason why you'd go the 240 route i/o the M2 unless you wanted a convertible or automatic.
Because it's quieter, more comfortable, more fuel efficient, normal sized gas tank, and you don't always want a race car?

Don't get me wrong, I'm torn. But there are pros and cons.

they sound like a bunch of old men
I'm an old man.

How is the e91 working out, BTW?
Not bad. I'm still not entirely comfortable in the seats, but it's tolerable. And I've got some noises that my mechanic couldn't fix (wheel bearing and sunroof wind noise). I'll make it through the winter with them, but if I keep the car longer than that the car will definitely need some of JV's magic. But it's solid overall.

The thing I like most about the car is the heated seats. I can't possibly have another car without them. I know, I know -- welcome to 2001.


.

[bren]

The thing I like most about the car is the heated seats. I can't possibly have another car without them. I know, I know -- welcome to 2001.


.

Wait until you get a hold of a heated steering wheel.

[wdc330i]

Wait until you get a hold of a heated steering wheel.

Absolutely!

[rumatt]

Dammit, maybe I'd have been better off without this gateway drug

[wdc330i]

Dammit, maybe I'd have been better off without this gateway drug

I do have to agree with you about the comfort thing. It's not enticing to me when those Brits kept talking about how loud the M2 is (synthesized sound at that.) And, I don't relish a harsh ride. Hence, my rationalizing the M240, which I'm stuck with anyway because of wanting a drop-top.

But, if you plan on keeping the E91, I could definitely see going with the M2 as a proper counterpoint.

I need a one-car solution, and it needs not to be painful for me, my spouse, my kid, and any other passenger. My spouse already doesn't like riding in the E91 with sport.

[Jeff_DML]

I do have to agree with you about the comfort thing. It's not enticing to me when those Brits kept talking about how loud the M2 is (synthesized sound at that.) And, I don't relish a harsh ride. Hence, my rationalizing the M240, which I'm stuck with anyway because of wanting a drop-top.

But, if you plan on keeping the E91, I could definitely see going with the M2 as a proper counterpoint.

I need a one-car solution, and it needs not to be painful for me, my spouse, my kid, and any other passenger. My spouse already doesn't like riding in the E91 with sport.

When I drove the m2 the noise did not bug me but it did for my cousin. Assuming you can disconnect it:dunno:

[Josh (PA)]

An M2 in mineral gray followed /passed me on the turnpike this morning. It was one of the first ones i've seen at length in the real world. It's a really sharp car and sounded great when it went by. It was interesting, when we exited it pulled up behind an e36 M3. The bulkiness of the 2 series compared to the e36 was obvious. It was about the same length, but a lot wider and heavier looking.

On your list of pros/cons Matt, I would suspect the M seats in the M2 are better than the standard sport seats in the 240, but maybe I'm wrong.

[wdc330i]

When I drove the m2 the noise did not bug me but it did for my cousin. Assuming you can disconnect it:dunno:

I wonder how it compares to "forks in a blender" —A.K.A. the E46 M3. :)

Frankly, our X5 MSport 50i is loud enough.

[Jeff_DML]

I wonder how it compares to "forks in a blender" —A.K.A. the E46 M3. :)

Frankly, our X5 MSport 50i is loud enough.

no it is not like the metallic e46 noise. More of a standard sounding intake noise.

[Theo]

On your list of pros/cons Matt, I would suspect the M seats in the M2 are better than the standard sport seats in the 240, but maybe I'm wrong.

I am pretty sure they are the same seats with added blue stitching.


Edit: I had a love hate relationship with the sound of my E46 M3. Sometimes I loved and other times it annoyed me.

[Jeff_DML]

I am pretty sure they are the same seats with added blue stitching.


Edit: I had a love hate relationship with the sound of my E46 M3. Sometimes I loved and other times it annoyed me.

yeah but dont forget the \\\M on the headrest :D

[Theo]

yeah but dont forget the \\\M on the headrest :D

HAHA Oh right!!

[equ]

Edit: I had a love hate relationship with the sound of my E46 M3. Sometimes I loved and other times it annoyed me.

Almost 4 years in, I completely agree. The dinan exhaust improves sound, especially if you are at 7,000rpm pretending you're on the back straight of the Spa, but yeah it gets to be too much sometimes, or after an hour or two.

[rumatt]

yeah but dont forget the \\\M on the headrest :D
:lol: sold!

[Josh (PA)]

I am pretty sure they are the same seats with added blue stitching.


Bummer, I thought it got the M3 seats. Oh Well.

[Jeff_DML]

Bummer, I thought it got the M3 seats. Oh Well.

no M seats, M engine, or M side mirrors(endless posts on m3post about that :lol:)

[rumatt]

M
How is the e91 working out, BTW?

Service engine soon light this morning.

Why the hell did you mention this car!?!? :D

[wdc330i]

Service engine soon light this morning.

Why the hell did you mention this car!?!? :D

Oh, lord. That car!

[rumatt]

Oh, lord. That car!
It's OK. I found a new independent mechanic that gives me a loaner car. It gives me more opportunities to enjoy their VW passat wagon with 200k miles.

[wdc330i]

It's OK. I found a new independent mechanic that gives me a loaner car. It gives me more opportunities to enjoy their VW passat wagon with 200k miles.

Nice. ;)

[rumatt]

A video by some guy who reviews other people's cars. Starts slow but his reactions while driving it are entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2PD6NQavw






EDIT: Originally posted the wrong link. Fixed

[Josh (PA)]

Buy the F-ing thing already.

[bren]

Buy the F-ing thing already.

:lol: He has to wear himself down first.

[rumatt]

Buy the F-ing thing already.
:bustingup

[wdc330i]

Buy the F-ing thing already.

Definitely.

[FC]

Buy the F-ing thing already.

Seriously. I waffle a lot in advance, but once I am close I pull the trigger.

Matt has been circling the drain for a long time.

[rumatt]

Circling the drain :lol:

For what it's worth I was sharing the video with you guys. I had already seen it and I'm not even sure I'm getting an M2.

[Jeff_DML]

http://www.topgear.com/videos/top-gear-tv/tgtv-s23-chris-harris-bmw-m2

Make me want to go get one. He even drives my old e36(but with a real M engine)

side note: chris has seemed to settle nicely into topgear. Also interesting the rs3 is cheaper than then m2 in the UK.

[Nick M3]

Wait until you get a hold of a heated steering wheel.
It's the one thing that I want. Heated seats are not that nice. (Although cooled seats are awesome. Guess which way my internal temperature tends to run...)

But a heated steering wheel? I would love one. My former coworker bought a 328 with one. She was telling me about what had to be the stupidest option in the world that made no sense. I just told her to wait until the first cold morning. Let's just say that on that first cold morning, she called me on her way into the office to say how right I was and how she could never, ever go back.

[rumatt]

Heated seats are not that nice.
Even when the car has been sitting out on bitter cold weather, you just plopped your ass into the seat, and the engine is a good 10 mins from being warm?

[Sharp11]

Even when the car has been sitting out on bitter cold weather, you just plopped your ass into the seat, and the engine is a good 10 mins from being warm?

I love heated seats, and the BMW's are among the best of any car. In the convertible, cool nights, top down, heated seat .. it's great.

I'd love a heated steering wheel too. :)

[Sharp11]

A video by some guy who reviews other people's cars. Starts slow but his reactions while driving it are entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2PD6NQavw






EDIT: Originally posted the wrong link. Fixed

Unless you're going to do serious track days, it's a waste of money. Buy a 2 with a manual and base trim, you'll enjoy more for the kind of driving you'll do up where you now live.

[John V]

You might enjoy it more. I bet Matt won't.

[TD]

I could see making an argument for the M235i over the M2, but not a base 2.

[wdc330i]

I could see making an argument for the M235i over the M2, but not a base 2.

M240 now. But yeah, no 4 cylinder iteration.

[TD]

M240 now. But yeah, no 4 cylinder iteration.
You can see how close of attention I'm paying to BMW products these days. But I should have deduced that as I am fully aware that the bigger-engined 3 has been the 340i for a while now.

Personally, I would actually probably take the M240i over an M2. Cost, day to day livability, and cost would lead me to the pick.

[rumatt]

Personally, I would actually probably take the M240i over an M2. Cost, day to day livability, and cost would lead me to the pick.

It's not cheaper.

[TD]

It's not cheaper.
How stupid is that?

[rumatt]

How stupid is that?
It's definitely strange. Apparently in other countries there's a decent price gap but in the US they're pretty close.

The base 240i is cheaper but by the time you add on all the options to match what the 240 has standard they're close in price. Add the $3000 LSD on the 240 they're damn near the same price.

[TD]

It's definitely strange. Apparently in other countries there's a decent price gap but in the US they're pretty close.

The base 240i is cheaper but by the time you add on all the options to match what the 240 has standard they're close in price. Add the $3000 LSD on the 240 they're damn near the same price.



I played with the configurator after I saw your first post on the price being close and tried to make them as equal as possible. Since the M2 doesn't have a lot of options, I pulled up the standard equipment list to make sure I was keeping it equal.

They ended up less than $1K apart.

That's insane.

The stated lease rates shown on the page were way cheaper on the M240i, like a third cheaper.

BMW pricing continues to be very strange. But this does make the argument to just go buy an M2. It even briefly got me thinking.

[Plaz]

So dumb. The LSD alone is worth at least a $1k premium. I remember thinking my one wheel drive E46 was fine for normal street driving, but having the LSD in the 1M has completely changed my mind. It really makes a difference, even if it's subtle day to day. It just changes the feel of the power delivery which inspires confidence and makes it feel more reliable in its ability to dig in when you need it.

[TD]

I did configure ti with the diff, so that $1K delta includes the diff.

[Nick M3]

Even when the car has been sitting out on bitter cold weather, you just plopped your ass into the seat, and the engine is a good 10 mins from being warm?
Nah. I mean, I like them, don't get me wrong. But my core will stay warm a lot longer than my fingers will. If I had to pick, heated steering wheel all the way.

[wdc330i]

Not M2 relevant, but apropos Rumatt's search. Buried in the news about style improvements to the 4 series is mention of changes to the steering to make it more "dynamic." Wonder if those changes will trickle into the 3 series.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/01/16/world-premiere-2017-bmw-4-series-facelift/

Oh, and here's something about the M2: http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/01/24/ride-along-stig-bmw-m2-top-gear-test-track/

[rumatt]

Oh, and here's something about the M2: http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/01/24/ride-along-stig-bmw-m2-top-gear-test-track/

Is that an article about a video that doesn't exist yet, but is coming?

[wdc330i]

Is that an article about a video that doesn't exist yet, but is coming?

Very good question.

[Theo]

I did the same thing. Weird

[dan]

it exists

http://www.topgear.com/videos/top-gear-tv/ride-onboard-stig-bmw-m2

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/why-bmw-m2-best-b-road-blaster#1

[wdc330i]

Not sure I see the point in this:

2017 BMW M2 Performance Edition Official Details

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1354762

[bren]

Not sure I see the point in this:


This seals the deal right here.
• LED door projectors with customer "Performance Edition" image
:?

No cloth/alcantara option? Come on!

Matt, please order one of these. Seriously.

[ff]

What's an LED door projector? I assume something that shines a light on the ground when the door is open.

[dan]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41nS0DfFIRL.jpg

[bren]

Yep.

Makes perfect sense in a performance oriented "stripper" doesn't it? Sure it does.

https://3fby941a422w2ivo0vkndmsm-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/M002_3_m.jpg

[wdc330i]

That is so tacky.

[zach]

ugh that is awful

[bren]

That is so tacky.

:lol:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=5348&pictureid=29838

I didn't know this existed, but it's hilarious. I'd have to bring the floss with me to the dealer to rip that thing off immediately.

[wdc330i]

:lol:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=5348&pictureid=29838

I didn't know this existed, but it's hilarious. I'd have to bring the floss with me to the dealer to rip that thing off immediately.

Lord. Among the order options for the M240i I bought were M Performance decals that I could slap all over the thing.

The silly "M"240 badge was already more than enough.


Please.

[JST]

This seals the deal right here.

:?

No cloth/alcantara option? Come on!

Matt, please order one of these. Seriously.



P.S. The above configuration/equipment is the only way a customer can spec an M2 this way



Tautology is tautological.

[wdc330i]

Tautology is tautological.

Provided options are not optional. ;)

[ff]

https://3fby941a422w2ivo0vkndmsm-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/M002_3_m.jpg

omg! :lol::lol:

[Jeff_DML]

...

No cloth/alcantara option? Come on!

..

yep. Only 150 so not worth the hassle

[rumatt]

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1354762

"You would have to be a real asshole to order this. My apologies to any asshole that orders it..."

:lol:

[Plaz]

Yep.

Makes perfect sense in a performance oriented "stripper" doesn't it? Sure it does.

https://3fby941a422w2ivo0vkndmsm-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/M002_3_m.jpg

That is so tacky.

ugh that is awful

omg! :lol::lol:

That option should automatically come with one of these:

http://www.clownlizard.com/4-large/douche-bag-on-board-bumper-or-window-sticker.jpg

[rumatt]

Matt, please order one of these. Seriously.
I don't know... I'm kind of over it.

Close but no cigar.

[bren]

I don't disagree. Just thought I'd try. :lol:

[rumatt]

I don't disagree. Just thought I'd try. :lol:
:bustingup

[wdc330i]

Aprops the discussion:

http://jalopnik.com/bmw-totally-pulls-a-porsche-with-m2-performance-edition-1792483235

[rumatt]

"I know that somebody is going to buy this car. And I’ll never understand them."

That about sums it up.

On a related note: I saw my first M2 on the road this week. I didn't like the looks much at all. The rear quarter panels look like a dually pickup truck.

There's a 240i in my work parking lot. I think it looks better.

[wdc330i]

There's a 240i in my work parking lot. I think it looks better.

Get one.

[rumatt]

Get one.
I'm waiting to hear from you how I was wrong about the steering. :eeps:

It's on my todo list to drive one again.

[wdc330i]

I'm waiting to hear from you how I was wrong about the steering. :eeps:

It's on my todo list to drive one again.

If only I'd had a chance to drive it more than 2 miles a day for the last week.

We're planning a drive in the countryside on Sunday. Stay tuned.

But my shorttake in the meantime is I wouldn't let the steering deter me. It isn't perfect by any means, but it's responsive and quick. The power in the car is great, and the chassis/handling feels about as close to an E46 as you can get in a modern car. It's loads more fun than the E91, which in retrospect felt more luxurious and grown up but somehow detached.

I'm very happy with the car. It feels familiar in really good ways and mostly sheds just the bad stuff. It's almost the E46, but without being a 10-17-year old car. And that's what I was looking for. Plus a roof that goes up and down.

[Jeff_DML]

you could argue a bit biased ;)

https://www.bmwcca.org/news/roundel-weekly-my-turn-21

[Josh (PA)]

Matt,

FYI: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=965281

[rumatt]

Matt,

FYI: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=965281
Thanks, but if I buy one it'll be a B58 engine, or an M2. And no sunroof.

[rumatt]

I'm very happy with the car. It feels familiar in really good ways and mostly sheds just the bad stuff. It's almost the E46, but without being a 10-17-year old car. And that's what I was looking for. Plus a roof that goes up and down.
That's great that you're loving it!

[Sharp11]

If only I'd had a chance to drive it more than 2 miles a day for the last week.

We're planning a drive in the countryside on Sunday. Stay tuned.

But my shorttake in the meantime is I wouldn't let the steering deter me. It isn't perfect by any means, but it's responsive and quick. The power in the car is great, and the chassis/handling feels about as close to an E46 as you can get in a modern car. It's loads more fun than the E91, which in retrospect felt more luxurious and grown up but somehow detached.

I'm very happy with the car. It feels familiar in really good ways and mostly sheds just the bad stuff. It's almost the E46, but without being a 10-17-year old car. And that's what I was looking for. Plus a roof that goes up and down.

My zhp vert is 10 years old now - not sure if that's a big minus, but the 2 series seems the likely successor if I were to replace mine with something similar. Thanks for the write-up.

[wdc330i]

My zhp vert is 10 years old now - not sure if that's a big minus, but the 2 series seems the likely successor if I were to replace mine with something similar. Thanks for the write-up.

I think you'd be very happy with it. And when the facelift 240 comes out later this year, the M235s will be a relative bargain.

[rumatt]

I just drove a 230xi and an M2.

It's M2 or bust, primarily due to steering. The 230 isn't bad when driving on the highway, but the inconsistent weighting in corners just irks me. I can see it not bothering some but it bothers me.

The M2 is pretty loud but I'm not sure how much of that will disappear once you disable the sound generator. The road noise while not accelerating isn't bad, and the ride was surprisingly comfortable. Shifter is nothing special.

Hey Bren there's an unsold white manual available up by me. Hint hint.

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[wdc330i]

I just drove a 230xi and an M2.

It's M2 or bust, primarily due to steering. The 230 isn't bad when driving on the highway, but the inconsistent weighting in corners just irks me. I can see it not bothering some but it bothers me.

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Could that have been influenced by the AWD or wheel/tire combo? At any rate, if you are getting a coupe in RWD anyway, might as well go for the M2. I definitely would.

[rumatt]

I just drove this cayman. I liked it a lot. PDK even. 14 way sport seats are great.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/668540170/overview/

M2 is out. Cayman is back in. :lol:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170220/653db052e79f5dbb05bd4602aa240c30.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170220/477c1d7b49328b32af60537e97118304.jpg

[wdc330i]

That would be great, too. If you don't need rear seats. I would have gotten a Boxster had I not needed room for the kidlet.

[dan]

What's the story on it? CPO and only 2000 miles...

[rumatt]

That would be great, too. If you don't need rear seats. I would have gotten a Boxster had I not needed room for the kidlet.
Last time I drove one I didn't love it. I'm not sure what was different this time.

And I can't believe I liked the pdk

And I hate white cars. But I kind of like this one. Why are there so many white cars in my life :lol:

[wdc330i]

What's the story on it? CPO and only 2000 miles...

Fleet vehicle.

[wdc330i]

Last time I drove one I didn't love it. I'm not sure what was different this time.

And I can't believe I liked the pdk

And I hate white cars. But I kind of like this one. Why are there so many white cars in my life :lol:

It's among the best, if you can live without a stick. White looks really sharp on it. And I hate white cars, too.

[rumatt]

Fleet vehicle.
Yeah, loner car.

[Plaz]

Yeah, loner car.

And when it's drivin' alone, it prefers to be by itself. :lol:

[bren]

And when it's drivin' alone, it prefers to be by itself. :lol:

:lol: