View Full Version : I didnt perservate long
clyde
10-06-2007, 01:30 PM
I just put a deposit down on a new car.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/Macknificent/Picture006.jpg?t=1191691728
Car is up near Detroit...hope to go pick it up in two weeks...then the madness begins.
So you found one of these in red?
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x14/TIKORIKOLOVE/corvette1984016.jpg?t=1191550003
clyde
10-06-2007, 02:38 PM
I'll put it this way...I wasn't looking. The car found me.
Will have to stop at Wal Mart on the way up there or back to pick up a few cans of Krylon flat black
I just put a deposit down on a new car.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/Macknificent/Picture006.jpg?t=1191691728
Car is up near Detroit...hope to go pick it up in two weeks...then the madness begins.
Ooof. Tall steel cone?
rautox
10-06-2007, 06:53 PM
Looking forward to the vicarious thrills. C4's are neat. Though, this one looks as though it may have beavers.
kognito
10-06-2007, 08:17 PM
Ooof. Tall steel cone?
loose lug nuts??
Hey, at least it won't rust!
clyde
10-06-2007, 08:57 PM
Hey, at least it won't rust!
frame rust can be a real problem
frame rust can be a real problem
Hey, at least you bought it from a state that doesn't see much rain, snow, or salt! I mean, Mich....oh.
Hey, at least you bought it from a state that doesn't see much rain, snow, or salt! I mean, Mich....oh.
Should be a real treat to work on. :ack:
clyde
10-06-2007, 09:49 PM
Hey, at least you bought it from a state that doesn't see much rain, snow, or salt! I mean, Mich....oh.
What I'm really afraid of is finding metal stuff in the oil. A replacement L98 might cost me as much as a single V710 for the Boxster. It's not cheap like that 80s tech German crap. Oh...
:p
What I'm really afraid of is finding metal stuff in the oil. A replacement L98 might cost me as much as a single V710 for the Boxster. It's not cheap like that 80s tech German crap. Oh...
:p
German stuff isn't cheap, but Asian labor sure is.
http://www.nrubenstein.com/albums/Jetfest,16November2003/mini_NSR_2003_1116_161522AA.jpg
rautox
10-07-2007, 10:05 AM
A replacement L98 might cost me as much as a single V710 for the Boxster.
:lol:
clyde
10-07-2007, 10:45 PM
hmm...
2QBkbM6kacs
If you close your eyes and think real hard, you can see the wheels turning in my head...
Give the guy a garage and he goes nuts!
rautox
10-07-2007, 11:36 PM
I wonder how high you can launch small road kill with a snowmobile-powered M1 tank engine cooling fan (prior to just now, that didn't seem a likely question)?
OK, the potential's intriguing. The L98 goes up in a million pieces. A few seconds later, course workers find themselves being showering with hot oil, coolant, and bits of metal. This is awesome.
I've always wanted to put together an entry for that event. Guess my ticket is still a few years off, though.
clyde
10-08-2007, 12:47 AM
Give the guy a garage and he goes nuts!
For the record, I did not go looking for it. It found me.
And I still don't have it...
clyde
10-08-2007, 12:48 AM
I've always wanted to put together an entry for that event. Guess my ticket is still a few years off, though.
You're welcome to work on a $2008 entry...
You're welcome to work on a $2008 entry...
Well, it isn't the money that's keeping me from doing it. But I might be able to tighten a nut or two.
hmm...
2QBkbM6kacs
If you close your eyes and think real hard, you can see the wheels turning in my head...
Best quote from that video: "...it could use a little more development..."
The video of the car on course with the 30 foot plume of dust blowing out of the passenger compartment was priceless.
I haven't looked--does the SCCA rulebook say anything about adding a sucker assembly?
clyde
10-08-2007, 02:22 PM
I haven't looked--does the SCCA rulebook say anything about adding a sucker assembly?
The #1 rule is: "If the rulebook doesn't say you can, then you can't."
That said, I'm sure a number of people are looking for holes... :eeps:
lemming
10-08-2007, 02:57 PM
that's cool!!!!!!!!!
tons and tons of neat C4 parts development, too, no?
clyde
10-08-2007, 03:36 PM
I haven't looked--does the SCCA rulebook say anything about adding a sucker assembly?
I love it when other people do the work for me...
Aerodynamic devices must be securely mounted on the entirely sprung part of the car and must not be moveable when the car is in motion. The use of any moving device, for example a fan, propeller, or turbine, or hinged wing to create downforce is prohibited. Movable side skirts are not permitted except where noted herein or in Appendix A, Modified Category.
b/c you can generate oh so much downforce on the autocross track?
Nick M3
10-08-2007, 05:00 PM
b/c you can generate oh so much downforce on the autocross track?
You can generate huge downforce at autox speeds. It just generates huge drag. If you accept that your speeds will stay below 70MPH pretty much at all times, high drag downforce is really not a big deal.
How fast do you have to be going before you can produce downforce? I would have thought it would take more speed than you typically see on a short course like that. I also didn't realize you hit 70 mph very often.
dredmo
10-08-2007, 06:21 PM
How fast do you have to be going before you can produce downforce?
Downforce is linear depending on how much air is moving over the surface, similar to lift. (I'm pretty sure it is linear, maybe it curves a bit?)
0 downforce produced requires 0 air flow...
*sigh*
Fine Dred. How fast do you have to be going to generate a useful amount of down force? And I don't think it's linear and it depends a great deal on the shape over which it is passing. But I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination and fluid mechanics was a long, long time ago.
clyde
10-08-2007, 07:26 PM
Although big wings have been part of A Mod (very light weight, purpose built, not "real" cars) for some time and Formula SAE always sees students trying odd things every year (see attachment at bottom for this year's headscratcher), serious experimentation with aero in autocross on traditional cars is a pretty new thing. Bob Tunnell and Vic Sias pioneered it in 2005 on their E36 M3 based cars and led to 2006 being called the year of the wing because they finally started making use of it and other followed in their footsteps.
http://teamwtf.org/gallery/albums/album646/prof06_sm_023.sized.jpg
To answer one of Rob's questions, 70mph speeds are not common. In fact, I think the first time I actually hit 70mph was just before the finish on the east course at Nationals last month. Nick's reference to 70mph, though, I think had more to do with the fact that the effects of drag under 70mph are quite small. In other words, you can get your downforce without paying the drag penalty.
To answer the other question...the wings like pictured above are generating enough downforce to have a tangible impact at speeds below 40mph.
I love it when other people do the work for me...
Specialization of labor. I don't need to be an expert in SCCA rules when I have you guys to talk to.
lupinsea
10-08-2007, 10:54 PM
Couldn't you run the Sucky 'Vette in Novice? To my knowledge there are much less restrictions. Sure, you'd be in Novice but it'd be freak'n cool to show w/ a car like that against someone in a Subaru Forester.
clyde
10-08-2007, 11:22 PM
Novice isn't a "real" class. Outside of safety, regions are free to make up their own classes and other rules.
lupinsea
10-09-2007, 01:02 AM
Ok then, run the twin-turbo V8 Corvette with the 1000 lb.+ snomobile-powered, vacuum-induced down force in novice.
:twisted:
John V
10-09-2007, 07:34 AM
I don't see why you couldn't run such a thing for fun runs.
clyde
10-09-2007, 11:48 AM
I don't see why you couldn't run such a thing for fun runs.
Of course we could...and there's nothing stopping anyone from running such a device in an open class...leaving the burden on someone else to protest. The questions are:
1) is it worth to dump the time and money into the experiment?
2) will there be enough benefit...and would it be fun?
On #2, from what he said in the video, they achieved up to 2 seconds improvement on a short course. That's huge. On #1, they did it cheap, but would it be possible for mere hobbyists? :dunno:
Then...once it's done...what next?
I just put a deposit down on a new car.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/Macknificent/Picture006.jpg?t=1191691728
Car is up near Detroit...hope to go pick it up in two weeks...then the madness begins.
Can you post a pic of the whole car or are you just joking around :dunno:
Can you post a pic of the whole car
As opposed to the car hole? :lol:
clyde
10-11-2007, 07:14 PM
Can you post a pic of the whole car or are you just joking around :dunno:
I can.
I can.
ok just checking :D
lupinsea
10-12-2007, 11:49 AM
I can.
:toetap:
clyde
10-12-2007, 12:41 PM
ok just checking :D
It's nothing special to look at...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/Macknificent/Picture005.jpg?t=1192202895
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/Macknificent/Photos/IMAG0010.jpg?t=1192203136
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/Macknificent/Photos/IMAG0006.jpg?t=1192203117
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/Macknificent/Photos/IMAG0002.jpg?t=1192203162
As it sits, the car is a piece of junk. The only reason it makes sense to buy (and go to Detroit to tow it home) is that the transmission and rear end should fetch more on ebay than what it will cost to buy and pick up the car.
The basics:
1989 L98 6SP Corvette
3.33 Dana 44 rear
Blue glass top
The car starts from cold, but has hot start issues. The seller wouldn't trust it to drive more than a few miles. Seller thinks it may have a misfire on #1 and #3, which suggests a blown head gasket between those cylinders. internal damage unknown. I told the seller that my assumption is that near;y everything would have to be repaired/replaced and he replied by rattling off a mildly lengthy list of new, nearly new, and very good condition parts and assemblies on the car.
My main issue is figuring out what to do with the car. Ideally, I'd get the car into "driver" condition quickly and then figure out the rest from there. Building it into a fun weekend cruiser, a scary machine, or a competition car are all options. I may just let it sit in the driveway all winter before doing anything. The only thing I really know is that if I decide to not put any money into at all, I can part it out and come out ahead in dollars.
I told the seller that my assumption is that near;y everything would have to be repaired/replaced and he replied by rattling off a mildly lengthy list of new, nearly new, and very good condition parts and assemblies on the car.
.
That sounds familiar.
My main issue is figuring out what to do with the car. Ideally, I'd get the car into "driver" condition quickly and then figure out the rest from there. Building it into a fun weekend cruiser, a scary machine, or a competition car are all options. I may just let it sit in the driveway all winter before doing anything. The only thing I really know is that if I decide to not put any money into at all, I can part it out and come out ahead in dollars.
Sounds good.
clyde
10-12-2007, 01:21 PM
That sounds familiar.
Luckily, I will have a pretty free reign to repair and replace those items with non OE pieces. ;)
... if I decide to not put any money into at all, I can part it out and come out ahead in dollars.
Until you discover that the tranny and rear end have just as many holes in them as that fender...:eeps:
clyde
10-12-2007, 03:37 PM
They're in high enough demand that condition isn't a huge factor. :dunno:
lemming
10-13-2007, 07:31 AM
just be wary of something stupid in the GM design with the ignition system? something about water leaking into them as they sit somewhere low in the engine? optispark or some crap name like that?
that's the only thing i've ever read about with C4s.
it's cool, clyde.
rautox
10-13-2007, 09:12 AM
Optispark arrived on the next gen of motors, I believe in '92?
clyde
10-13-2007, 02:54 PM
Yeah, optispark is an LT1 issue.
That said, there are a number of difficult to diagnose start issues that affect the L98.
rautox
10-13-2007, 03:53 PM
Nothing that installing an LS* wouldn't cure :)
That said, there are a number of difficult to diagnose start issues that affect the L98.
When you are done researching all of them be sure to let me know how to fix mine.
When you are done researching all of them be sure to let me know how to fix mine.
www.ebaymotors.com (http://cgi5.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?SellHub2)
www.ebaymotors.com (http://cgi5.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?SellHub2)
:lol:
www.ebaymotors.com (http://cgi5.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?SellHub2)
:mad2:
The car did serve its purpose pretty well this year.
clyde
10-15-2007, 11:30 AM
and only had to be towed home how many times? Pretty good for a Stock car. :p
clyde
10-17-2007, 09:52 PM
http://gallery.godragracing.com/photos/index_03_06/IMG_3995.jpg
clyde
10-19-2007, 09:12 AM
Well, I'm not going to be able to pick up the car this weekend. :( Hopefully the seller will hold it for me a while longer.
Bummer.
BTW, I saw a die-cast 1:18 red C4 at BJ's for $11. I thought of you. I'll get it for you if you want it.
And lemming, they had a black C5 Z06 too (also just $11).
Bummer.
BTW, I saw a die-cast 1:18 red C4 at BJ's for $11. I thought of you. I'll get it for you if you want it.
Can you rip the body work a bit first?
clyde
10-19-2007, 12:47 PM
Bummer.
BTW, I saw a die-cast 1:18 red C4 at BJ's for $11. I thought of you. I'll get it for you if you want it.
And lemming, they had a black C5 Z06 too (also just $11).
Thanks, FC, but it's not necessary.
Haven't been able to get hold of the guy yet...
clyde
10-19-2007, 01:17 PM
Woo Hoo!!! He'll hold it and he didn't ask me to send any more money!
clyde
10-23-2007, 09:37 AM
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Wow I got visions of night rider and battle star galactica in there.
That was to funny.
clyde
10-25-2007, 10:49 PM
uh-oh...i might have found a better one for more money
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-1984-C4-Corvette_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6168QQihZ003QQ itemZ130166981715QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
http://i22.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/bf/49/fec9_3.JPG
Apparently, life is rough in the year 2019.
who would even bid on that? I guess if you wanted a ground up project, including a new body, it's perfect.
uh-oh...i might have found a better one for more money
Wow, kinda scary but it does look like a RACE car.
It's even further away, forget it. ;)
John V
10-27-2007, 11:18 AM
who would even bid on that?
Nobody, apparently. :lol:
rumatt
10-27-2007, 11:26 AM
That is one hell of an interior. :bustingup
BahnBaum
10-27-2007, 07:19 PM
It's on it's way back east.
http://teamwtf.smugmug.com/photos/213652346-L.jpg
Alex
Nice!
:lol2:
"Nice" is not a word many will use to describe it.
rautox
10-28-2007, 02:44 PM
Nice omen?
clyde
10-28-2007, 06:57 PM
:lol2:
"Nice" is not a word many will use to describe it.
I guess you don't want any of those parts, then, since they aren't nice enough for you. :p
I guess you don't want any of those parts, then, since they aren't nice enough for you. :p
Sometimes the parts are more than the whole. ;)
rumatt
11-12-2007, 09:04 PM
Shoulda bought this one
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd28/blwegner/47b2_3.jpg?t=1194919449
clyde
11-12-2007, 09:05 PM
I dont think that one has an engine or transmission...or title...
Shoulda bought this one
That's not so far off. :p
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